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J.A.W.
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25 minutes ago, GA Russell said:
Steve and Hans, I am well aware that Bear Family and Ace (and Charly?) obtain access to the original sources. Nevertheless, I think that it is appropriate to refer to labels which seem to specialize in pre-1963 music as PD labels, because the music is in the public domain. But no need to quibble here about that. I am only concerned about which labels have the reputation of routinely puttying out good quality CDs of '50s music (and which labels to avoid for reason of their poor work product).
Both Bear Family and Ace have released lots of post-1963 recordings, and I don't think they belong in your list of public-domain labels.
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Ace and Bear Family are indeed unjustly included in the list of public-domain labels in the first post. Their releases are all licensed by the rights holders, and some of Fresh Sound's releases were too.
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JSP: unless mastered by John R.T. Davies, Ted Kendall or Chris King the releases I've heard sounded awful to my ears, plus the fact that they have often "borrowed" masterings other labels like Bear Family paid for and did the research for.
Jasmine: lots of noise reduction on at least some of their releases.
Real Gone: there were two labels with that name, Real Gone Music, based in the US, that only reissues licensed material, and the EU public-domain label Real Gone (no "Music" in their name) with cheap, non-licensed reissues taken from existing sources like LPs and CDs.
Ace: I've not always been happy with the sound on their (licensed) reissues, it was sometimes too "pumped-up", too loud and harsh. Others like it that way.
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10 minutes ago, felser said:
It got handled, Organissimo board style. Something for everyone, those who made the connection (I did, and thought it was very funny), and those who didn't. All good.
"Organissimo board style"… Not my style and one of the reasons I don't post here often anymore. Time for me to take a break (again).
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29 minutes ago, Lyin' Wolf said:
Thank you kind sir... I did not make the connection.
Neither did I. In my view your question could have been handled better in the first place.
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36 minutes ago, Peter Friedman said:
Beethoven Piano Sonatas - No.11, Op.22 & No.12, Op.26
That is an excellent Beethoven Piano Sonatas cycle.
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1 hour ago, mjzee said:
Must be a mistake, but my order went through: Henryk Szeryng Complete Edition, 42 CDs, for $12.08. Grab it fast: https://www.amazon.com/Henryk-Szeryng-Complete-44-CD/dp/B07DQMMPMZ/ref=pd_sim_15_1?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B07DQMMPMZ&pd_rd_r=5fc80221-1352-11e9-bc0f-5d60e9bba019&pd_rd_w=YLV0r&pd_rd_wg=2d4Ht&pf_rd_p=18bb0b78-4200-49b9-ac91-f141d61a1780&pf_rd_r=S06D69WC0VV24TNBGTPP&psc=1&refRID=S06D69WC0VV24TNBGTPP
Actually, it's 44 CDs. As for the price, I think the decimal point is in the wrong place
Delivery time 1-2 months. I've also ordered it - wait and see what happens...
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24 minutes ago, corto maltese said:
Actually, I think Leo's name was really Cuypers, which would strongly suggest his family roots were in Flanders (Dutch speaking part of Belgium).
Cuypers is a typical Flemish name, while the most common Dutch variants are Kuipers or Kuiper, like guitarist Jan Kuiper.
You're absolutely right, it's Cuypers. My mistake, I checked the wrong site.
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20 minutes ago, king ubu said:
Oh, I understand - weird, don't think I ever noticed the proper spelling (and I'm all for ignunts learning foreign names and not dumbing it down too much ... we're not talking Chinese names or anything)!
So is it Leo Cuijpers, too? Does the "y" not exist in dutch names at all or are both variants possibley, what about Martin Van Duynhoven? (And for Piet Nordijk it's clear, never saw that with a "y")
Y and ij both exist in Dutch, though the Dutch variant ij is more common. By the way, it's Noordijk with double o and Cuijpers with ij, and Van Duynhoven is indeed spelt with a y. And the late footballer's name is Cruijff
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4 hours ago, mjzee said:
Not an official release at all; Enlightenment is a bootleg label.
1 hour ago, ejp626 said:In the battle of the bootlegs, Lonehill already released Blue Hodges, which combines Blue Hodge, Blue Rabbit and about half of Blue Notes.
Those labels release recordings that are in the public domain in Europe, so what they're doing is perfectly legit over here, they're not bootleg labels. There's a difference. That said, I avoid them like the plague.
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11 hours ago, felser said:
This is also a nice set:
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Unfortunately marred by noise reduction, like other RCA sets from those years. I sold my copy years ago.
8 hours ago, Kevin Bresnahan said:I've said it before and I'll say it again - my wish is that Mosaic would pay Steve Hoffman to master one set, preferably releasing it using SACD hybrid discs, and see how well it sells. No matter if you like his forums or not, his name on the set will attract buyers who would otherwise never even think about it.
So pick any of these suggestions (but my vote is with Jim on Bill Barron), contract Hoffman to remaster it, and see what happens. It can't really hurt sales.
Hoffman mastering Mosaic reissues would probably attract buyers who would otherwise stay away, but not me - while I liked what he did in the 1990s with his DCC jazz reissues, I didn't care much for his later Blue Note hybrid SACDs; they were too laid-back, "flat" for my taste. To my ears the Contemporary remasters he did for a Japanese outlet a couple of years ago had the same problem.
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Very sorry to hear this. I have her Wohltemperiertes Klavier.
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6 hours ago, GA Russell said:
Mike, as far as I'm concerned, you're always welcome to inform us of Cal Tjader facts and trivia!
The emails I receive from oldies.com suggest that Not Now and Real Gone are two labels of the same company. But I don't see that on the net.
https://www.discogs.com/label/419015-Real-Gone
http://www.notnowmusic.comReal Gone Music is linked with Warner, among others.
http://www.realgonemusic.comPeople are often confusing Real Gone (EU) and Real Gone Music (US). The former is a European public-domain label, while the latter is a US label that reissues licensed material and has nothing to do with the EU label. The people at Real Gone Music are not very happy with the "name confusion", but they can do nothing about it. This is the US label: Real Gone Music
Real Gone (EU) and NotNow are indeed linked.
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Lon is right, there are two Real Gone labels, one is a European public-domain label, the other a US label that releases licensed material.
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2 hours ago, gmonahan said:
Ah, one of our oldest discussions on the Board! I bought the Hodges stuff (which sounds pretty good, frankly) because Mosaic will never do a set. Why? Because the Andorrans have already reissued it. So, if you want the Hodges 60s Verves, you can either search for the old LPs or buy the Lonehill reissues. Verve will certainly never reissue it. To quote a line from the movie "Lion in Winter," we'd see the Second Coming first.
gregmo
Mosaic didn't do a 1951-1955 Hodges CD-set because Verve would only license it for LP, not CD, and not because the Spanish Blue Moon label had released the material. Mosaic did release a 1956-1961 Hodges CD-set, of course (long OOP). Like Fresh Sound Blue Moon is based in Barcelona, Spain.
Re-reading your post I noticed that you are talking about 1960s Hodges on Verve. As far as I know Mosaic did indeed not consider that era.
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To quote a post on another board about some Beach Boys releases:
The copyright term for sound recordings in the EU was extended a few years back to 70 years *from the date of publication* (public release, e.g. on LP/CD, essentially).
But if a recording has never been "published", the copyright term is still 50 years from the date the recording was made.
The distinction is intended to force record labels and rightsholders sitting on unreleased material to "use it or lose it."
So studio outtakes, etc, from 1968 will fall into the public domain unless they are published by the end of this year.
If they are published, then they are entitled to the 70-year copyright term from the date of that publication. So, by releasing sets like these, the label's copyright is effectively extended. -
10 hours ago, Larry Kart said:
IMO the EMI set is just fine.
I agree, but some prefer his earlier (incomplete) Philips Beethoven sonatas. I have both sets, but have never compared them.
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The Complete Verve Tal Farlow (Concert Band) Sessions (listed as one of an edition 10,000 albums). $105
I think you mean The Complete Verve Tal Farlow Sessions - the Concert Band is the Gerry Mulligan set that is listed further down the list.
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Now listening to disc 6 of the box below, with Andrea Lucchesini's interpretations of Beethoven's Piano Sonatas 13-14, Op.27/1-2; 29, Op.106
A wonderful but unfortunately OOP and hard-to-find set. Highly recommended! -
There were indeed problems with the license, that's why Mosaic had to pull the set without notice.
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Very sorry to hear this. Did quite a bit of business with him back in the 1970s.
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11 hours ago, crisp said:
Yes, but what about those of us who would prefer to buy it through Jazz Messengers to avoid a customs sting -- I wonder if Mosaic has considered those potential sales.
11 hours ago, Chuck Nessa said:I'd bet they factor in those sales.
I asked Jazz Messengers about this when the final run of the Bee Hive set was pre-order-only a while ago, and they told me they wouldn't pre-order Mosaic sets, so chances are they won't be getting any Mosaics anymore if those are indeed pre-order-only from now on.
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41 minutes ago, Larry Kart said:
I have no idea what their message to those of us who have pre-ordered means. They want us to pre-order more than one set? The want us to set up the equivalent of a lemonade stand and convince random passers-by that THEY need to order the set? What?
I think this message is meant for those who are on the fence, not those who have already pre-ordered the set, even though everyone on their mailing list got the message.
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Posted · Edited by J.A.W.
Public-domain labels are not necessarily bootleg labels, there is a difference. EU public-domain labels issue non-licensed recordings that are in the public domain in the European Union; those releases are legit in the EU. Bootleg labels release unauthorized recordings and non-licensed recordings that are not in the public domain.