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(xept the Milian, Ptaszyn, Jazz Carriers and Ianci none, in fact)
...and the GDR Sunday Afternoon BBQ music!
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thanks for playing tooter. For the piano player on the final track (not Bryant, not Loussier), see my remark in post #47. I will provide some bonus tracks of this group when the answers are posted.
Shit, I can't pin down neither #3 nor #7 John! Just played them again...
Is Hans Koller present on this BFT? (Don't aswer the question if it would make things too easy!)
does that mean you know all the others?
#3 you will have heard before -- actually both #2 and #3 in this order
#7 you have in your (vast) collection
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So the imported GDR soprano comes from Holland, then, and is bearer of a kaiserliche first name?
And the real thing is that them Jazz Carriers, then? They're great, I got to play that album again soon, another one that hasn't been played for more than a year!
two cigars!
I don't know how I came to think of this as Hipnosis - they've got as/tb in the frontline...
it's the sound! it's HIP!
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15 - not into this kind of thing. I thought for a while there would be no improvisation in it but then we got to the crazy chicken sounds and then the soprano with the monotonous drum off beat. I suppose there must be some intrinsic artistic value in this somewhere but I'm afraid it escapes me. Needless to say, clueless.
I like this response much better than NMCOT or WTF!®
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Now at 13 - had a break yesterday. Vibes leader, as he goes first? A blues, in 4/4 time. Nothing untoward here, a very listenable performance but I've no idea who or what, not the tune or anything else.
rather than a distinct leader with a bunch of guys in the band, this is more of a collective.
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So the imported GDR soprano comes from Holland, then, and is bearer of a kaiserliche first name?
And the real thing is that them Jazz Carriers, then? They're great, I got to play that album again soon, another one that hasn't been played for more than a year!
two cigars!
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Thanks for your reply John - I will play the disc again as soon as I can! Will try and pin down some more things, but it won't be easy.
By the way, I don't that Ptaszyn track (#1) on anything but your compilation - the disc i have is the Quartet one (on Power Bros).
indeed. The track is available on CD together with the Getz 1960 Warsaw performance
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it seems I need to break this in two to make the quotes work:
#12 - ...#13 - And one more that segues easily into the next one - Mulliganesque big band arrangement? Very nice opening dialogue, and then them vibes again... nice trumpet solo, again not one of those high and hardblowing ones, I like this lyrical trumpet playing staying in mid-range a lot.
not Mulligan. I love how the vibes stumble in there out of the blue and later on there's a guitar there too all of a sudden.
#14 - ...#15 - ... Typical GDR sunday afternoon barbecue music, I guess?
Very nice one! Great soprano solo emerging out of the collective (great range, from tuba to piccolo!)
Indeed a typical GDR Sunday afternoon barbecue affair. Interestingly, the soprano was invited from abroad.
#16 - That weird sound far right is a blatant rip-off of couw's favourite fingernails-on-chalkboard chap... won't say no more about this one, I almost expected a cut from this group to end up on a bovine BFT and here 'tis!
actually, this is not Wanja and his gang! This is the real thing from way back when.
#17 - Another great one! No clue who this could be, but he's got a great sound on clarinet, very much in command, very cultivated. Piano is a bit too easy-going, sounds rather like on autopilot... bass is great, reminds me a bit of Richard Davis in spots (those runs going high up, interfering with the melody, also the flexible-sounding pace). Piano gets a bit flowery after those runs, then into free-ish territory... I start liking it more and more as the solo goes on. Drummer starts playing some more, too - good! But the main thing here is the clarinet! Monkish theme.cultivated is the right word for the clarinet, the guy played with Benny Goodman, paying plenty solo duties. Mike scooped up the cigar for identifying the players, but other details are still lacking.
#18 - ...#19 - More stoopid pianistics... the Romanian again? A cute little closer!
not the Romanian. It's the pianist who didn't play piano on track #5!
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#2 - Flute'n'bass, very nice. Drums are nice, too - at some moments it almost sounds like there are two drummers present, but I assume that's because of the stereo-spread? Bass has a folksy style, copped from Charlie Haden (but without Haden's signature sound)? This one's new for me and I'd certainly enjoy more of it!
I doubt the bassist looked much at what Haden was doing to arrive at his style. This is his bag 100%. Only one drummer, lovingly restrained at that.
#3 - More flute, this time with some ethnical drums... is this some cheap tin flute or a regular one? Weird one... enters vocalized trombone - Albert M.? Piano as well... hm, tough one to pin down but I like it more and more as it progresses... piano sounds like Dollar Brand (those last couple of chords towards the end)Not Alber M. The fact that the piano enters at all so late in the game is pretty cool I think. You should know these guys, Ubu!
#4 - A variant of "Take Five" - is this Desmond's "Take Ten"? ... Some eastern european guys?no Desmond, yes eastern euro dudes.
#5 - Sounds like the pianist led this date to me, but don't ask me why... very nice piano solo to top things offa pianist indeed led this date, just that he didn't play piano. The pianist did pen the tune though.
#6 - ... on to more Milian twist stuff... ... not Milian then, I suppose.stick to your first hunch and I'll hand you a cigar.
#7 - May there be an expat or two in the rhythm section? All of this sounds somehow familiar...no expats. I think you should have this track somewhere.
#8 - Very nice moody piece, great tenor solo! Another favourite! Trumpet is great during the ensembles!yesyesyes
#9 - ...If it's really Yancsi, it once more makes me wonder how softly that swiss power drummer can play if he chooses to.the cigar for Iancsi already went to tooter! This is not from the MPS album with the Swiss power drummer.
#10 - Yay! ... from beyond your eastern border, Sir?yup.
#11 - It's good to hear such short and concise solos - too often long ones don't add up to much more... who's the tuba chap? Tenor is nice as well!for once the tuba solo is the longest of the bunch!
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I have also admired this date since my first vinyl copy back when the covers were real cardboard, but my only compaint is that at 37 minutes there should be more music!
Notes per pound/dollar?
I have a problem with this unless you are paying "primo" prices for the music.
If you get pleasure, what is the limit?
You're being grumpy again Chuck.
Think "damn this is good, I wish it lasted longer than 37 minutes!"
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The Americans must envy us for this freak show.
they just don't have states like Moldavia... if I were Angela Merkel I'd offer them Thueringen or maybe Mecklenburg-Vorpommern (the latter would even include couw, but that's one of the more attractive features);
ey, we's got a big ass G8 fence too!
some shipyards, a bunch of trees and all that nature...
that should increase value
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So if anyone does have any examples of recordings of Ross in the CBBB, do let me know.
Track 12 is not such an example.
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seems 1972 is the year, 14 march the date with Evans, p; Eddie Gomez, b; Marty Morell, dm.
unknown tune at US TV broadcast featuring the Grammy Award Winners of 1972
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17. Very good clarinettist - Theo Hörgensmann? Anyway, an excellent player. Can't recall Jörgensmann played with such a post-Tyneresque pianist ...
nope, not Theo, think earlier.
Is this the Kühn brothers? I remember Joachim used to be kind of Tyneresque early in his career ... Otherwise, clarinet is not my favorite blowstick, so I don't know too many practitioners.
take it easy guys, I'm running out of cigars!
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collection of Philips Artwerk by Weninger here
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and the answer is: Emmerich Weninger
leave it to vice Dutch google champion 2004* to solve this one for you!
just to let you in on the proceedings: I googled up "platenhoezen" "philips" and found out there is a book on that; went to the publisher where there was a list of illustrators included, among which Emmerich Weninger as the only one with the appropriate initials. Googled him up and found this. Proof enough!
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The only thing I could so far find out (not sure how accurate) is that this should be the alternative European (Germany/UK) cover from , what, the first European release?
Philips Microgroove LPs indeed have alternative covers. I have a handfull, all originally issued on Columbia and all from the mid 50s, just like your Brubeck. My guess is that Philips had a distribution deal with Columbia. Mine are all made in Holland BTW.
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Could it be Ianscy Korossy?
Cigar for tooter!
As a rabid anti-smoker (no objection so long as I can be somewhere else) I would have preferred a different award. But I shall hard copy and frame the comment. Could you do a Couw-type graphic to go with it???? I know, I know - no time!
here you are then
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Polish Take Five?
not quite right on the country or the tune. But almost, so here's a bonus (click).
Yes, love it! What would Desmond have said. I know 6 not Take Five of course but a European (?) bandwagon attempt?
the Take 5 bonus was recorded in 1963, one year before the same band recorded track 4. They developed much for the better during that year.
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18. Tenor & Trombone - I'm again and again surprised how much music there is that I've never heard of .... nice energetic but still relaxed groove, nice arrangement. Lots of different grooves - they know what they're doing. No idea again who they are. I'm not good at dropping names this time.
Rocky spilled the beans on this one.
...and as he did, it is no use to keep it a secret so I might as well point you to this site that recently put up a vinyl rip of this great album. Go get it, who knows how long it will remain available.
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11. Hah! Baritone and all kinds of low brass - they could a little more on point rhythmically but they got the feeling and the arrangement is very nice! More please! Yeah - I like this.
the title of the tune couldn't be better chosen.
12. The second wildest track so far - nice engaging baritone with semi big band. This definitely is from the times when Yurpeeans didn't yet know proper bongo technique, but they all hit the groove nicely. Excellent arrangement. Who is this?this is one of three big national "Radio Orchestras/Big Bands" of the time. The leader normally performs on piano, but switched to the drum set for this one. He also did the arrangement. Very able players in that band, which played a variety of styles in a several settings from trio to sextet to large ensemble.
13. Nice horns, although a bit sleepy, electric bass is out of place here! The buesy phrases he plays to close the piece simply don't sound bluesy on electric!I don't know how they recorded it, but this is not an electric bass! Well, I do know how they recorded it: crappy and then the pressing wasn't too spiffy either. Surely some bite got lost there.
14. couw likes his piano trios jumpy? This is more consistent than # 9. Three stars.This is the trio setting of the big band on 12 actually.
15. Another very interesting big band track. Excellent low brass players. Wild! Yeah! Now this is the wildest - makes # 3 sound like child's play. Six stars!hah! glad you like this one. I really like how new motifs are brooding at the bottom of the kettle to rise to the surface gradually until the whole band hits their groove.
16. Very nice track full of good ideas - that guitar used as a noisy percussion is a welcome relief from the instrument's standard role. Saxists are nice. Would have liked to hear a Fender Rhodes solo (that player has agood groove!) than one of the conga player - he relies on patters too much, doesn't know how to play variantions of his bassic pattern, and his solo phrases are all in 4/4 rather than the 7/4 rhythm of the piece and do not fit. Oh well ....17. Very good clarinettist - Theo Hörgensmann? Anyway, an excellent player. Can't recall Jörgensmann played with such a post-Tyneresque pianist ...
nope, not Theo, think earlier.
18. Tenor & Trombone - I'm again and again surprised how much music there is that I've never heard of .... nice energetic but still relaxed groove, nice arrangement. Lots of different grooves - they know what they're doing. No idea again who they are. I'm not good at dropping names this time.Rocky spilled the beans on this one.
19. Another piano trio for closers - a mixture of Ray Bryant and a classicist attitude. I would like to hear more of this pianist at medium tempos to find out what he really can do ....I have some more tracks of the man playing piano. He performs elsewhere on this collection on a very different instrument.
It seems you liked most of this stuff, so I am happy.
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thanks Mike
So here's my comments on couw's mostly LP-compiled
it's about 50/50 really.
2. The flutist is nice, but I can't name him, sounds kind of European to me. That electric bassist rushes the time a little too much for my taste and relies too much on stock phrases - that 2 over the three beats of this jazz waltzy rhythm isn't his forte. Would have liked to hear more from the drummer - why did he hold back so much?bassist is probably the biggest "name" here. The drummer ended up leading a big band.
3. Crazy and wild. Jiri Stivin? Some loose tuned African drums played with sticks, and some authentic double flute. Now that singalong trombonist throws me off - not Albert, for sure. I like it very much that they don't take themselves too seriously. Very nice!wild enough indeed, but not Jiři. I think you are spot on when you say these guys are not taking themselves too seriously. Although they are definitely dedicated players, they strike me as a bunch that knows how to have fun.
4. The standard "Take Five" rhythm pattern. Alto and baritone and trumpet - nice arrangement, and good soloists, although the trumpeter sounds a bit shaky. But that alto is very nice. Good drummer! Polish guys?not Polish. Interesting that you pick out the drummer. He has played in all kinds of settings, from Dixie to light pop to free jazz both in small and large groups. The trumpet player got much better later in his carreer.
5. That almost sounds like one of those waltzes off a Max Roach record - great! My favourite so far. Excellent hard bop phrasing, with very nice off-center rhythmic ideas. Me want this! Trumpeter knows how to pace himself. A 1960's recording, I'd say. I should know that flutist .... they all take their time, that's what I miss with most guys that are running stock phrases all over - five stars for this! Hmmm - the ending sounds like this were an outtake?See above for an explanation on the strange ending; I wish it had been without the fade. You would know the flutist as he appears elsewhere on this collection, albeit playing another instrument.
6. Nice 10/8 rhythm with marimba. On vibes he loves Bobby Hutcherson. Too bad they didn't know how to treat that rhythm more freely without losing the groove. Now what has that second fiddled part to do with it? This doesn't fulfill it's promise and remains some kind of exotic collage. What a pity.hey, I need you to identify that whack instrument played during the second part. This track is part of an amazing album and doesn't shine as much when taken out of that context.
7. Tenor plays a little flat, but has a very nice groove and rhythmic bite. He's more of an individual than the trumpeter. Guitarist is nice again. Bassist is kind of undefined, rhythmically. This is a band of mixed level of advancement .....the trumpeter may not (yet) have his own tone, but his phrasing with melodic lines stretching across the bars is something else. The level here isn't top-notch as you rightfully indicate, but they play their hearts out with what they have.
8. This is concise and delivers a message - not a top notch performance, but they all get it done. Good!my sentiments exactly. Again lots of conviction and belief, which makes up for a lot.
9. A little hectic, but otherwise very good. More a showpiece for the pianist - I don't quite get what he wants to say.he wants to say that his feghing hands are on fire!
10. Nice lazy phrasing of the altoist - he sounds like he does that very consciously. He obviously likes his Desmond, but doesn't simply imitate. Who is this? Good bassist and drummer, too - this is high on the favourite list.drummer has already appeared (and will appear on yet another track); bassist will be heard again on this BFT.
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Could it be Ianscy Korossy?
Cigar for tooter!
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