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Not sure the Uptown fits the timeframe, but it gets my vote as well, with a close second for the Monk/Trane. I think the Diz/Bird is a more significant find, though, personally.
The Mosaic Select Tolliver will get my vote.
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While Fantasy reissued just about everything I could imagine from the Prestige (except Azar Lawrence's first two albums) and Contemporary labels (granted, I'm not all that familiar with the Contemporary catalog, and they are still missing Rumasuma by Sonny Simmons), there is a fair number of decent curiosities on Riverside they never got to, and a LOT of stuff on Milestone that would seem like it should obviously be on CD but isn't (Gary Bartz - Home, McCoy Tyner - Horizon and 13th House, etc. etc.). Any ideas on why the Milestone catalog has been so underutilized? And does anyone know what Concord's plans are for the catalogs they inherited from Fantasy (bet that's already been discussed here before my time - can any just summarize for me?). thx.
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I was very happy a couple of years ago when most of the Leon Thomas Flying Dutchman titles came out on CD (nice job on those reissues), especially 'Live in Berlin' with Oliver Nelson. It seemed strange to me at the time that 'The Leon Thomas Album' was not reissued then, and to my knowledge it still hasn't been. Anyone know what the problem is there? Have they lost the master tape or something? Related question(s). There is a Leon Thomas album on the Mega label, 'Gold Sunrise on Magic Mountain', which I believe was live at Montreux, 1971. I've never heard it - is it any good? Any ideas why it isn't on CD? The only other item I'm aware of on the Mega label is Larry Coryell's 'Fairyland', which I believe was also live at Montreux 1971, and which I believe also has never been out on CD. Any knowledge on it? I assume Mega was a subsidiary of Flying Dutchman? Interestingly, while the Thomas and Coryell recordings from Montreux '71 were on Mega, Gato Barbieri's 'El Pampero' (a GREAT album, to me his masterpiece), I believe from the same festival, was on Flying Dutchman proper, and has been reissued on CD (thankfully!), also a real nice job. Any thoughts on 'The Leon Thomas Album' and the Mega stuff? thx.
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I can't wait for the Tolliver Mosaic Select set. I cut my teeth on the Tolliver Live at Slugs material in the early 70's, and it remains a landmark for me. Very happy that the Tollivers and a few other choice Strata-East titles (Clifford Jordan - Glass Bead Games, Billy Harper - Capra Black, Pharoah Sanders - Izipho Zam) have made it onto CD, but have a few titles that I have never seen on CD that I am pining for: Clifford Jordan - In the World, Sonny Fortune - Long Before Our Mothers Cried, Charles Sullivan - Genesis, the 2LP set by Mtume, and the Ron Burton - The Waterbearers, Jazz Contemporaries - Reasons in Tonality (advanced blowing session with C. Jordan, G.Coleman, and J.Watkins as the horns!), Shirley Scott - One For Me (best album she ever did by a mile IMO), and Harold Vick - Don't Look Back come to mind right off. I know that Strata-East was run as a collective, as designed by Tolliver and Cowell. Unclear who owns the masters on these. Does anyone know anything about the prospects of these being reissued on CD? And what about the Charles Tolliver All-Stars session with Bartz, Hancock, Ron Carter, and Joe Chambers? Surprised that one hasn't seen the light of day on CD. Also, Tolliver's website for a long time has shown a CD called 'In the Trenches' which I don't think has ever been released. Any info or thoughts appreciated.
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Your mention of Curtis Counce makes me think you have confused Frankie Dunlop with Frank Butler.
Mike
You're right. I need to go to bed.
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I'm a fan of Frankie Dunlop with Monk - and most every other place I've heard him too. One thing I like about him is his approach to soloing, which is very much about melodic reference. I love Blakey with Monk, more for the groove because a Blakey solo is about Blakeyisms, not about the tune. I was definitely impressed with the Shadow Wilson on the new issue - would love to hear more of that. Ben Riley - totally agree that he's the most boring of the lot.
Mike
But I LOVE Blakeyism's! Gimme that rim shot! Monk's Music was one of the first jazz albums I owned, and to me Blakey is great on that. More than anything else, Blakey's drumming is the sound of jazz to me. Have more recordings by the Jazz Messengers than by anyone else. Saw him live for the first time in the 80's. Free concert in Wilmington, DE. Benny Green's first gig with the band. He was very nervous first solo, but then let it fly on Moanin'. Philip Harper, who I had never heard of until that night, was on fire the whole evening. And Blakey gave a great little speech at the end of the show, that I still remember, asking people to get out and support jazz. He said it was "A gift from the Creator, through us, to you". I like Dunlap OK with Monk, like him much better with Curtis Counce. Shadow Wilson and Ben Riley work well with Monk also for me, better than Dunlap IMO. I love Blakey with anyone. Max Roach was pretty great on Brilliant Corners, and Art Taylor was fine on 5 by Monk by 5. Not surprisingly, Monk never found his Elvin Jones or Tony Williams.
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And, as always, no cover and no minimum! BTW, my magic moment of live music was Keystone Korner in San Fran in, I think, September 1976. Triple bill. Opening act, Bobby Hutcherson quintet. Second act, Max Roach quartet with the great Billy Harper and Reggie Workman, show closer, Dexter Gordon quintet, Dex had just returned from Europe. Only time I was ever there. Great club. What a night! Cover was reasonable (don't remember price),and I was able to do the minimum with a slightly overpriced coca cola or two.
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I agree with the above statements - I tend to reach for the Smith's with the horn players and the live sets. Smith also recorded too many albums in too short of time for them to all be meaningful (when's the last time anyone here listened to Jimmy Smith Plays Fats Waller for more than the first time? How often do any of us play Movin' Along?) , though that wouldn't apply to this one, since it was his first. I picked up the 2 CD set for historical purposes, but have only listened to it once.
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I picked up the McLean and am about to buy the Andrew Hill today...a quick question:
I went to my vinyl collection at home and looked for "Andrew' - thought I already had. Rather, I came across Andrew Hill's "Compulsion" album with John Gilmore, et al...a similar line up BUT WITH FREDDIE HUBBARD on trumpet. Has "Compulsion" been reissued on cd? Only on Mosaic "Complete Andrew Hill??"
Compulsion hasn't been released on CD in the US except on the Mosaic box. Can't speak to what may or may not have come out on a TOCJ CD in Japan. Seems like just about everything from prime Blue Note era has, though I can't say that for sure (I'm sure someone will either confirm or correct the statement, though!). I really like Gilmore on Compulsion, also love his work on Pete LaRoca's 'Turkish Women at the Bath'. Thank you 32jazz for getting that one out on CD a few years ago!
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In My Youth was the only one on CD. Grubbs Brothers were from here in Philly (still live here). Amazingly, all four of the albums by the other great Philly jazz group of the era, Catalyst (Odean Pope, Eddie Green, Tyrone Brown, Sherman Ferguson) were put out by 32jazz in one great 2CD set. Bet that one sold about 12 other copies in addition to mine. Cobblestone did have some nice stuff. Not many remember at this point, but the first couple of Norman Connors albums were pretty great. Something sticks in my mind that "Faraway Lands" was on the expanded version of Art Farmer's 'The Time and the Place' that came out in the early 80's (mid-60's live recordings by the Farmer/Heath quintet),. but I don't remember for sure.
Can't find the post on who questioned Grubbs still being in Philly, but you're right, turns out he's in Maryland now. Was in Philly for a good while (I remember seeing him listed for the MillCreek jazz center workshops, etc.). http://www.carlgrubbs.com/CARLPAGES/ABOUT.html
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I got the Hill, Mclean, Ervin, and Quebec cds today. The Mclean is as good as anything else he's ever done. Nice Woody Shaw on the Ervin date. Excellent Andrew Hill. Getting used to the old time organ sound on Ike's 45s. Pretty good batch, I'd say.
How the heck did Blue Note ever decide to keep that Jackie Mac hidden in the vaults?
They also kept Lee Morgan's Infinity (with JMac) unreleased at the time, so it came as something of a shock in the early 80's (when both were finally released) to that they had done so much great recording together in the mid-60's. Consequences is more traditional than what Blue Note was releasing by McLean in that era (One Step Beyond, Destination, Out, Action, It's Time, Right Now, New and Old Gospel, Bout Soul), but is certainly far superior to the last two titles. As good as it is, I like 'Jacknife' even better. "On the Nile" is a great Charles Tolliver tune. Don't miss the Mosaic Select of him when it comes out - great great stuff.
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A quick search at jazzdisco.org (a far from definitive or accurate site, but good for quickie searches) shows George Benson on:
Lou Donaldson: Alligator Bogaloo 4/7/67
Hank Mobley: Reach Out! 1/19/68
Larry Young: Heaven On Earth 2/9/68
Lee Morgan: Taru 2/15/68
Lou Donaldson: Midnight Creeper: 3/15/68
Lonnie Smith: Live At Club Mozambique 5/21/70
Ronnie Foster: Cheshire Cat 3/21/75 (background vocals only)
Ronnie Foster: Cheshire Cat 3/24/75 (guitar and background vocals)
Stanley Turrentine: Straight Ahead 12/7/84
Freddie Hubbard: Life Flight 1/23/87
Bertrand.
Forgot about the Morgan (not a favorite of mine) and the Donaldson. The 70's and 80's stuff doesn't count! In general, the only 70's Blue Notes I remember being worth much were the last couple McCoy Tyner's for the label (which were awesome), and most of the Bobby Hutcherson stuff (very underrated). Other than that, a very sad time to see the great label desecrated, dying a sllllooowww death.
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Thx Mike. Sure wish that one would come out on CD.
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I joined up after Randy reccomened I check it out so as to up to date on the bands playing schedule. I lurked for awhile because I was so blown away by the knowledge that so many have here and I was afraid I would look like a fool. But then I noticed that everybody gets the pretty much the same amount of derision and so here I am basking the glory of all this greatness.
Indeed. I just got here, and have been into the music for 33 years, and Nessa has already nailed me twice (once for no prices on my trade list, once for choice of grammer). Guess that means I'm one of the guys now!
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In My Youth was the only one on CD. Grubbs Brothers were from here in Philly (still live here). Amazingly, all four of the albums by the other great Philly jazz group of the era, Catalyst (Odean Pope, Eddie Green, Tyrone Brown, Sherman Ferguson) were put out by 32jazz in one great 2CD set. Bet that one sold about 12 other copies in addition to mine. Cobblestone did have some nice stuff. Not many remember at this point, but the first couple of Norman Connors albums were pretty great. Something sticks in my mind that "Faraway Lands" was on the expanded version of Art Farmer's 'The Time and the Place' that came out in the early 80's (mid-60's live recordings by the Farmer/Heath quintet),. but I don't remember for sure.
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Good point on the Mobley. All I can guess is that it's one of George Benson's rare appearances on Blue Note (only other one I can think of right off is the Larry Young, though there may be a few others).
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I'm another migrant from the old Blue Note Bulletin Board. I joined that board almost completely clueless about jazz, learned an incredible amount and gradually built a decent collection of mainly 50's and 60's hard bop based on the amazing archive of info and some occasional queries to the veterans.
REALLY sad how the BNBB melted down...but it was great that this board provided a refuge. As I recall, a number of us also joined All About Jazz at about that time, but the established community there seemed to feel a bit overwhelmed and annoyed by the sudden influx of immigrants, many of whom had well established opinions. Hard to blame the folks at AAJ, really, for feeling a bit put upon.
Anyway, my take is that Organissimo seemed to provide a fresh start, rather than dropping into an established community, and here we still are.
I'm so busy I mostly just lurk, not that I ever had much to contribute except questions, but I stop in most everyday. This is a great board.
Agreed, I really like it here, never felt that I wanted to participate at All About Jazz. I've been at this in very dedicated fashion for 33 years, so have an opinion or two myself.
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I agree, McLean's 'Action' is awesome!
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Really would like to see the Carlos Garnett Muse albums out on CD (Only Black Love has made it before, to my knowledge), and even more the two Jimmy Heath albums (the first, 'The Gap Sealer', was on Cobblestone originally). Best albums he ever did. Anyone have any knowledge of this possibly happening? Always hoped 32jazz would get around to it (I wrote them about the Heath's), broke my heart when they went under, sold the catalog, whatever it is that happened there.
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How did everybody end up on the Organissimo site for the jazz community? Seems like a very esoteric destination compared to Jazz Corner or All About Jazz, but clearly this is where the life is.
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The Hill and McLean titles that show up as RVG's are the most "famous" titles but them, the ones that will be touted as first purchases by those artists for the newbees. The Connoisseur titles are more esoteric in historical/critical terms, and, as pointed out, can be expected to sell less. Also simply titles that Van Gelder hasn't remastered. Who picks the RVG titles in each batch - Blue Note, Van Gelder, or a combo of both?
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Mosaic's been working on a Hutcherson/Land box for several years. I suspect they're having trouble getting clearance on the Cadet or Mainstream Land dates, probably the mainstream. I like Cherry's Complete Communion with Gato, don't like the other Blue Notes very much (or hardly any of his other solo stuff, truth be told). Suspect that will get me in trouble here, but so be it.
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Stanley Cowell - Illusion Suite is the one I'd really like to see on CD, but I can't imagine that happening.
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I agree the Blue Note website leaves a LOT to be desired, just seem to push their latest hope for the next Cassandra/Norah breakout, and it's really difficult to get meaningful info on something like upcoming Connoisseurs. I'm ordering all of them except the Hope, which I have the original of. Would be helpful if someone can compare the sound on the new one to the sound on the old one for us. While I hear impovements over the originals on the RVGT's, I usually don't find it to be dramatic (better than the Impulse remasters, which I wasn't often able to hear ANY improvement on). I buy the RVG's anyways for the upgraded notes and pictures and because they are priced so reasonabley ($8.39 at CD Universe when new).
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My picks on Flying Dutchman, in addition to the Leon Thomas's. Gato Barbieri's 'El Pampero','The Third World','Bolivia',and 'Under Fire' are his best albums, with 'El Pampero' belonging on my desert island list. The Horace Tapscott is pretty fabulous, Arthur Blythe's recording debut. 'The Giant is Awakened' was the name of it. If I could only own one Tapscott album or one Blythe album, that would be the one. 'Swiss Suite' by Oliver Nelson contains an amazing solo by Gato Barbieri on the 27 minute title track. I agree with the previous post about 'Barefoot Boy', maybe my favorite Coryell (I also like 'Offering' a lot). And Gil Scott-Heron's 'Pieces of a Man' is incredible, if not exactly jazz.