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Probably won't...it was a Japanese-only release, and a limited edition one at that, iirc.

Or even more basic than that - Bechet's instruments themselves were (and still are) easier to be linearly fluent on, simply due to their mechanical construction.

Dorcas Dorkesha http://www.myspace.com/210521664 Corky's

A Friend http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5-MO4nhSjg&feature=fvst Sonny Rollins Bobby Keys

No argument there!

So who played that kind of "grinding tenor" before that? Generations of players have lived off that. You don't think any of that came from Bechet? And Sanborn less than Bird. But... ???? I'm just saying - if you have to have just five (and it's really unfortunate if you do...) and if you waat it to be accurate, you either have Ayler after Trane or else you have a lie. I fucking hate lists. Nah, I'm just trying to sync up the conversation while you're trying to do the same. It happens.

Well, it's a tenor, the vibrato is less than Bechet's, and there's not nearly as much "filigree", but to my ears, you could make it into Bechet w/o a whole lot of effort, just as you can make Little Walter into Hodges int Bechet. Bechet is highly underrated as an influence on everything, I think.

So who played that kind of "grinding tenor" before that? Generations of players have lived off that. You don't think any of that came from Bechet? And Sanborn less than Bird. But...

Well, that's a good thing, definitely. Props needs pimps these days, more than ever. Jsut had a listen, at your instigation, btw. Doesn't change the math, but the pimping of the props gets props itself, definitely.

So Ayler and post-Ayler never happened? Or weren't "influential"? Or sub-influence counts more than moving-the-game-ahead influence? Or what? If the line of 4 goes Hawk to Pres to Sonny to Trane, then either it goes to Ayler next for 5 or else somebody goes away out of the first four. That's the way math go. See, I hate flowcharts, but I hate lists even more (except when they are of things to do that I will likely otherwise forget). This is why.

I'm gonna say Linda Evans. And you're gonna be right!

No you're not!

Unless the whole thing stopped w/Trane, you gotta go Ayler. But this too requires a flowchart or it never happened. Me, I hate flowcharts.

The usual - family, etc. Two(?) of them remained active in the Bay Area and can be found doing background vocals on some major label album by some Bay Area act, late-60s, early 70s...sorry I don't know the detail any longer, it's been a few years since I found out about them and did the usual obsessive-compulsive research. There used to be some web-review where one of their nieces posted an update as to the whole "where are they now" thing. If you Google the album, it might still be there. It was funny, she didn't really know about the group or her aunt's history until the CD reissue. What piques my interest is that they made an appearance on The Hollywood Palace. Surely footage survives somewhere...

Grrrlz Tony the Tiger Buck Owens http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrvFIwpAzUU&feature=related

Saul Goode! (although we could use a line from Bird to Sonny Criss to Dolphy...but I don't have Visio, so oh well!)

Ted Weems Barrett Deems Girl Of My Dreams

Sugarcane Harris Sugar Pie Honeybunch John Bunch

Joans.

No... Another hint (of sorts) - Lee Majors had a career before the 70s...