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For years, my rule of thumb with CTI was this:
- If it pre-dates 1975 and it has either Don Sebesky or Deodato involvement, it is worth picking up.
- If it is from 1975 or later and/or has Bob James involvement, all bets are off.
Of course, this is when I was finding CTI albums for a buck or two. At today's prices, I might be more selective.
The other thing is that nearly all of those pre-1975 CTI albums contain at least one or two standout tracks, even if the whole album does not necessarily hold together all that well.
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4 hours ago, Gheorghe said:
About writing myself......If I compose a thing I have to asked somebody else to write it down, writing is not my strongest point. I read chords and can read a lead sheet if I somehow know how the song goes, but I can´t read completly written piano scores with all the chords written out and with bass clef and stuff.
I am a lousy reader if you put an unknown piece of music in front of me, but if I know how something goes, I can write it down very quickly. So I can write out complex arrangements that I wouldn't be able to read if they weren't already in my head.
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I knew an audiophile who claimed that the colors of the cables made a difference.
He also claimed that records sounded different at various times of the day, because of the power grid. He said that records sounded the best at 3 am, because the fewest number of persons were using the grid at that time.
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1 hour ago, JSngry said:
Remember in school when you had to memorize shit like Gettysburg, Hamlet, Preamble and stuff? Did you memorize separate sections, or one continuous thing starting from the beginning and adding on as you went? You knew you had it good enough for class when you could get all the way through, period.
I figure that being able to start anywhere and go on is about the very highest level of learning/internalization. And good luck on that, right?
Agreed. Just making sure that I wasn't any more musically deficient than I already am.
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4 hours ago, Michael said:
I understand what you mean...
3 hours ago, Rooster_Ties said:I think it’s probably similar to when you try and remember something, and can’t — but later (sometimes at little as 10-20 minutes later, but after you’ve activity stopped trying to think of it)…
Thank you both. I guess it's not really that strange after all!
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About 25-30 years ago, I was very serious about piano and arranging, and I spent a lot of time writing arrangements of standards that I like. I say "writing," but I got around to transcribing only about half of them. The rest I have periodically had to dust off and play from memory.
After stretches of not playing, which is more and more common these days, I spend time at the piano going through all of them to make sure I don't forget. Some of these have some very complex chords and complex passing chords, in which the number of voices in each hand will switch based on a variety of factors.
A lot of times, if I decide to simply play the bridge, or start at the second chorus, I'll get a few bars in and I will forget some detail, and I'll have to go over that part. Sometimes I will get it right, but other times, I keep getting it wrong.
But then I will start playing the arrangement from the beginning, arrive at that section, and play it perfectly.
My question is: Is this normal, and do other players experience this? I don't understand why I have to play a passage in the context of the whole piece rather than just randomly dive into a particular section.
Thoughts? Is this a weird quirk of TTK, or is this a thing among musicians?
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1 hour ago, JSngry said:
Well here, get this to them, right now. It should slow them down just a bit, at least for a while...
The kamikaze attack at 3:06 is perhaps unequalled anywhere else in the history of time, both known and unknown!
Brilliant use of the opening line from "Golden Slumbers!"
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On 9/14/2022 at 10:24 PM, mjzee said:
Been enjoying this LP, thanks to a generous forum member!
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14 hours ago, Justin V said:
I like this one with Solal, which I picked up after liking what I heard of Hodeir on that wonderful Vogue box.
This seems interesting, thanks!
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Two examples of what I'm talking about with Tony and Mel:
Tony - On Green Dolphin Street
Mel - How High the Moon
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1 hour ago, JSngry said:
Looking more deeply at that online discography/sessionography, it would be neat if somebody would reassemble all the mid 60s/early 70s records into session order. I do think that might be a more rewarding listen at this point in time.
That went on throughout his career. A leftover from one album would show up someplace a decade later.
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6 minutes ago, jazzbo said:
Fresh Sounds did collectors a big favor by releasing this along with what is probably the others you have in a 2 cd set.
https://www.discogs.com/release/13417499-Andr%C3%A9-Hodeir-Essais-Complete-Paris-New-York-Sessions
Yes, that is the version that is on Qobuz. Thanks!
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16 minutes ago, jazzbo said:
It has been a long time since I listened to my copy. . . but. . . By the personnel I think these are not performances you have:
Oh, yeah, clearly different. Thanks!
Looks like I can get that one inexpensively on Qobuz also.
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29 minutes ago, jazzbo said:
You'll like this Savoy record.
https://www.discogs.com/master/995033-Andre-Hodeir-American-Jazzmen-Play-Andre-Hodeirs-Essais
Thank you! Most of those titles are on either the Vogue disc, or the Kenny Clarke/Jazz Group. Any clue as to whether or not these are the same recordings, or if they are by a different group playing Hodeir's arrangements?
The only title that I'm not seeing on the discs I have is "Alphabet."
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7 minutes ago, Larry Kart said:
Anna Livia Plurabelle
Wow, not familiar with this one! There is an inexpensive lossless download from Qobuz. I may go this route.
Many thanks!
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I really love Andre Hodeir's music. I have the following four CDs, in chronological order:
- 1. The Vogue Sessions - two 10" albums from the early 1950s
- 2. Le Jazz Groupe de Paris Plays Andre Hodeir - 1956
- 3. Kenny Clarke Plays Andre Hodeir - 1956
- 4. Jazz et Jazz - 1960
How much more is there, and are the above albums the cream of the crop?
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The holy triumvirate of musical acts with the most annoying fan bases, in no order:
- The Dead
- Zappa
- Jimmy Buffett
Beatles fans are doing all they can to join this exclusive club.
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Something that bugs me about both Tony Bennett and Mel Torme is they will often take a generally mid-tempo tune at an unusually slow tempo. That works every so often, but for me, it usually doesn't. The activity within the melody often dictates the ideal tempo range, IMO.
15 minutes ago, mikeweil said:Not the tempo for Bennett, that's true. And not for that song, with those lyrics. Were this written for the US version?
Those English lyrics are on the Brasil '66 version from their 1967 album Equinox.
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On 9/19/2022 at 3:30 AM, Big Beat Steve said:
Which is why these Baroque Jazz Third Stream recordings made a fairly big splash (at least here in Europe) with those who usually listened only to classical music.
And these records gave listeners in the US a vision of an idealized Europe that both embraced the contemporary while acknowledging its monumental past achievements.
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23 minutes ago, Rooster_Ties said:
His playing (and sound) — along with Charles’ vibes — really give the the entire proceedings quite a different character.
Yes, the guitar and vibes give it that air of mid-century futurism!
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13 minutes ago, medjuck said:
How come nobody's mentioned Gil Evans's arrangements for Tentet?
As for me, I haven't had a chance to absorb who arranged what!
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2 minutes ago, Larry Kart said:
George Russell's "Lydian M-1" is a high light.
Agreed! On first listen, that stuck out, along with the opening track, and also "You Go to My Head."
I had it on in the background while I was working, so I couldn't give it my undivided.
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Tentet arrived today and I just finished listening. This stuff is right up my alley: Postwar Twilight Zone jazz, along with some moody private-eye jazz sounding tracks. I am kind of amazed that it has taken me this long to find Teddy Charles, but better late than never! This will pair nicely on a playlist with Duane Tatro's Jazz for Moderns!
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