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okay since I apparently killed this thread...
:unsure: I'm still a little torn over this set... It does seem to be an unusually high number of alt. takes.... Am I wrong about that?
Did anyone buy/receive/listen to this set?
thanks
I'm giving it to myself for Christmas, along with the Peterson, and maybe the Braxton sets. Still struggling with whether to get that last one.
Greg Mo
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A complete set of the Shorty Rogers Victors would be nice.
Greg Mo
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I just looked over the "discography" associated with this set. Man, there are a boatload of alternate takes, as many as four on some songs. And, it looks like they're all one right after another instead of placed at the end of a given disc (my preference). By itself, this should not dissuade anyone from purchasing this historically relevant box, but be aware that you're going to hear some of the same tunes over and over again. Some people think that's the only way to go. Some don't.
I wish they'd gone the end-of-the-disc route.
According to the blurb accompanying the announcement, that's precisely what they did do, so enjoy!
Greg Mo
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I can't find it right now, but it seems like we had a thread on this a year or so ago comparing the Collector-Choice with the Columbia (2-disc) set, didn't we?
I'd assume that Russell Connor's BG on the Record: A Bio-Discography of Benny Goodman would have the information. You can get it pretty cheap from Amazon.
Greg Mo
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Sinatra's version for Capitol.
Greg Mo
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Love the duets with Buddy Defranco. Very fine pianist.
Greg Mo
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Yet another demonstration of why THIS board is like NO OTHER, and I do mean NO other.
Absolutely.
Yes, this represents the Board at its absolute best: earnest questions respectfully asked and respectfully answered. It's the reason I love to read it. Well, that and some of the MOST obscure--but crazy wonderful--discographical arcana available anywhere!!
Greg Mo
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I have this set on order, too. (it's waiting to ship when the Toshiko Akiyoshi/Lew Tabackin set is released. I also would love to have the original cover art with mosaic sets. Both for the aesthetic properties, and for the more practical reason that, if I knew the covers, I might not re-buy the music on a reissue, forgetting I had it as part of the set
It's comforting somehow to know I'm not the only one who does that now and then!
Greg Mo
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I want to know...if you see where I'm comming from, or at least can wrap your mind around a statment I truly stand behind: a statement ive never heard anyone else ever anywhere say, but is more valid to me than selmer is to saxophones, for the record, this statement is:"EARL HINES IS THE ONLY PERSON I TRUST
TO TEACH ME ABOUT THE HISTORY OF JAZZ"
- Chewy
if i may be so kind to provide a recommended link: http://www.organissimo.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=46870
What?! You mean, you don't trust Wynton?
Greg Mo
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And even though we all like to diss Mel Torme (I plead guilty!), I do like some of the things Shearing and Torme did together for Concord.
Greg Mo
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Sorry, I didn't see this response till now. I'll definitely look into it, and many thanks!
Greg Mo
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The crazy completist in me wishes he could have both the original cover art AND the original liners. Especially in the case of the latter, those are sometimes both insightful and interesting. That said, I understand and accept that Mosaic probably couldn't afford to put out nearly as many sets as it does if it had to license that material AND print it in color, especially in large format.
As for the O.P. box, I'll end up getting it. Just haven't yet. I wonder if Mosaic didn't issue it in part to make a bit more money. O.P. is a more popular artist than some, and maybe he could help the bottom line? I'm not dissing the music, by the way. I'm looking forward to hearing it.
In that vein, perhaps someone who has it could offer us a review?
Greg Mo
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Okay, Greg, what have you been smoking?
No, you're thinking Wild Bill instead of Muggsy. The Muggsy and Syd Big Four is on the H. R. S. set.
There's lots of Chicago Style out there actually thanks to the love and dedication of George H. Buck. Hodes fans should definitely look into the material on cd from Solo Art, Jazzology, and other Buck labels (www.jazzology.com)
And you know, almost all that Decca Chicago Style was out on lp and could be well mastered from lp for cd, all is not completely lost. Now if only a record label or two could get the feeling there were a market!
Smoking? Me? Who? What were we talking about? Does anybody have some chips?
You're right, Lon, a lot of the Decca stuff was issued on LP, though often in those dreadful artificial stereo LPs in the old Decca Jazz Heritage series, and often not in any very systematic way. Not that I don't love the music...but the sound....
I think I'm actually more concerned about the Coral 50s stuff, but like I said, that's another thread. About the only guy I know on the inside fighting for reissue of Chicago-jazz-style stuff in any coordinated, logical way is Scott Wenzel at Mosaic. Thank God for him! I wasn't familiar with Buck, though. I'll check that out!
Greg Mo
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Just in case - for the nitpickers: the other three releases (next ot Runnin' Wild by Bechet, the BN Jazzmen and the Ed Hall) were the BN Swingets (should have really been a 2CD complete set or 3CD if necessary), the George Lewis disc (leaving two discs' worth of yet to be reissued material which never will be reissued either), and there was I think one more? Then there also was a single disc of the Port of Harlem Jazzmen (adding a session by I think Bechet whcih wasn't on the Mosaic).
I'm not next to my collection to look, but wasn't that Bechet session reissued by Mosaic again on the HRS set? Seems like it was.
But I absolutely agree. There's tons of "Chicago-style" jazz that hasn't been reissued from all kinds of labels, including, alas, Decca, where we may have lost it forever, but that's over on another thread.
Greg Mo
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Anyway...........
I'm looking forward to both of these releases. I've always liked Creative Orchestra Music 1976, but have not heard a lot of what else is on the Braxton Mosaic. The Toshiko stuff I am familiar with but having not heard much of it in awhile it will be fun to re-acquaint myself. 
I wasn't even remotely tempted by the Braxton until I read through this thread. That led me to go to the site and listen to the samples and watch that very cool interview. I have to admit I'm now tempted.
As for the Toshiko stuff, I'm also looking forward to that. Too bad they didn't do a big box and include the 2-lp "Road Time" album, but I guess I'm being piggy. It would be nice if Sony/BMG would issue "Road Time," but I imagine we'll see the second coming first.
Greg Mo
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If indeed we've lost all the Decca masters and materials, it's a shattering loss. Decca owned the 1928-32 Brunswicks as well as everything it recorded itself. Some has been well reissued--the early Ellingtons, the Basies, even the Armstrongs, and there are fair versions of the Luncefords, but the label wasn't at all systematic about some of its other holdings, including classic swing stuff by people like Eddie Condon, Jack Teagarden, Chick Webb, Lionel Hampton, and a host of other black big bands, people like Claude Hopkins Don Redman, Benny Carter, and Lucky Millinder. Then there's Bing Crosby, who recorded exclusively for that label for years. Not a great jazz artist, but a pretty important popular singer. I haven't even touched on the white bands--Jimmy Dorsey, Jan Savitt, Bob Crosby.
There's also the Coral material from the 50s. Was that lost too? Lots and lots of unissued treasures there.
Deeply, deeply depressing.
Greg Mo
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I love Nestico's playing - heard him once in person but damned if I can remember when or how - but it was ELECTRIC - what a sound -
I never had the pleasure of hearing him live, but his solo on the recorded-live version of "Northwest Passage" from the "Woody's Winners" album on Columbia (now a Mosaic single) is to die for. He and the band are on fire in that one!
Greg Mo
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Considering yesterday's market results, you'd think the last thing I'd do is buy another Mosaic set today. I didn't want to miss this one, though! I just ordered it, and I can't wait to hear it.
You can comfort yourself in the knowledge that a soon-to-be-out-of-print Mosaic is a whale of a lot better investment than most stocks these days!
Greg Mo
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I'd say yes, either this or The Masters of Jazz cd which may be hard to come by. However I notice that there's also a disc from 1949 but I've never heard it.
Wasn't that 1948 Transcriptions disc originally issued on Hindsight? I like Hep's 1946-47 Performances, Vol. 2, which is HEP 74. Nice cross-section of his work at that time with most of the studio Evans and Mulligan material. "Anthropology," with that amazing Lee Konitz solo, is still one of my all-time favorite big band tracks.
Greg Mo
If the 1948 Transcriptions disc you are referring to is Hep CD 17, then the Answer is NO.
I haven't been able to compare the track listings quickly but I'd say the source for this one is the previous Hep LP 17 that includes 14 tracks from 1948 and 1 from 1949.
Hindsight LP 108 has tracks from 1947 (at least that's what the liner notes say).
You're right. All I had to do was dig the LP out and look at it! Too lazy....
Greg Mo
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They could break it up. They did that for Johnny Hodges on Verve.
Wish they'd finish that series out. Lots of great Hodges on Verve from the 60s needs to be reissued.
Greg Mo
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Mike, I think Monk got what he wanted, his rules, out of those cats. That's all. I like the contrast.
Me too. I love listening to solo Monk, but I can only do it for limited periods of time. It's like a really rich liqueur for me. Have to take it in small amounts. Oddly, I have the same experience with Tatum, and I can't think of two pianists more unlike each other than Monk and Tatum!
I came late to Monk. The angularity of his playing didn't appeal to my too traditional tastes for a long time. Now when I listen, I just try to let myself slide into his extraordinarily adventurous journey. I never know where he's going, and I have the wonderful sense that he doesn't either. I'm listening to the Columbia "Straight, No Chaser" album right now. Sounds great to me. I like the way Larry Gales and Ben Riley (bass and drums respectively) lay down the rhythm without getting in his way. And Rouse was way cool.
Greg Mo
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I'd say yes, either this or The Masters of Jazz cd which may be hard to come by. However I notice that there's also a disc from 1949 but I've never heard it.
Wasn't that 1948 Transcriptions disc originally issued on Hindsight? I like Hep's 1946-47 Performances, Vol. 2, which is HEP 74. Nice cross-section of his work at that time with most of the studio Evans and Mulligan material. "Anthropology," with that amazing Lee Konitz solo, is still one of my all-time favorite big band tracks.
Greg Mo
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I took everybody's advice and got the first Bix Restored set. As everyone indicated, the sound was very good, especially on the accoustical Wolverines recordings, and it was nice to have the Goldkettes, though purely from a collector's standpoint, since Bix solo'd very little on those.
I have to say on the whole that if I were recommending records, I'd recommend the Mosaic. I haven't heard all the Whitemans on the later Bix Restored sets, so I don't know how much better they sound, but I was struck by how much better the Okehs were on both the Bix Restored set and the Mosaic, than any of the Gennetts or Victors. The liners offer a good explanation of it (Bix was with Tram on the Okehs where he solo'd a lot, and the engineers there were better).
I don't know if I'll go ahead and spring for the other Bix Restored sets or not. I'd do it mostly to get the Whitemans in better sound. Thoughts?
Greg Mo
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Johnny Mercer Select, disc 3.
Which Jazz box set are you grooving to right now?
in Mosaic and other box sets...
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Art Tatum's "Tatum Art" on Storyville, disc 2. Some very fine Tatum on this set! Pretty good sound too.
Greg Mo