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Just received and listening to Denny Zeitlin Select, disc one. So far, I really like it!
greg mo
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I love this thread!!
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did anybody out there really want George Wein - Is Alive And Well or Jimmy Witherspoon - Goin To Kansas City?
I see your point, but would like to add I've really enjoyed the Jimmy Witherspoon and have listened to it repeatedly.
Me too! That's a great album and kudos to Mosaic for reissuing it. I can't comment on the Wein album as I don't own that one.
I think JAW's point was not that these aren't good albums--they are--but that they're odd choices, and I have to concur on that point. There are some odd choices among those singles even by the "more established" artists. I was surprised by the J. J. Johnson choice, for example, because there was some really good jazz stuff he recorded in his other RCA albums (especially "The Total J. J. Johnson") that had to be left out. Likewise, while "Woody's Winners" is a great album, Woody's Columbia material would have made a fine select.
greg mo
Eh, it wasn't JAW's point, it was my point, well sort of.
If your re-issueing stuff to what is an already very limited market and charging top $ for it, surely your criteria should not be albums that happen to be obscure yet are available for release and then talked up to a point to make them seem a definitive release. The Art Farmer Single was a good idea, the Art Blakey Single, not so sure, although now that I've typed that I know someone is going to say it's his best album. You're right though, the choices are odd and it's more than likely why they haven't had the sales they were hoping for with the Singles series and have stopped releaseing them. Not withstanding 3 or 4 people on a Jazz message board of course.
:rolleyes: I get the impression that Mosaic thought their customers will go for anything as long as it has the "Mosaic" name on it. They are right to a certin extent, there's a few of those customers on here. I'm not naming names though.
:w My bad. I confused posters. Hope NEITHER of you is too insulted!
greg mo
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did anybody out there really want George Wein - Is Alive And Well or Jimmy Witherspoon - Goin To Kansas City?
I see your point, but would like to add I've really enjoyed the Jimmy Witherspoon and have listened to it repeatedly.
Me too! That's a great album and kudos to Mosaic for reissuing it. I can't comment on the Wein album as I don't own that one.
I think JAW's point was not that these aren't good albums--they are--but that they're odd choices, and I have to concur on that point. There are some odd choices among those singles even by the "more established" artists. I was surprised by the J. J. Johnson choice, for example, because there was some really good jazz stuff he recorded in his other RCA albums (especially "The Total J. J. Johnson") that had to be left out. Likewise, while "Woody's Winners" is a great album, Woody's Columbia material would have made a fine select.
greg mo
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Does anybody need a KOB, original mono pressing?
Would I be right in thinking that this is the 'only' way to hear Kind of Blue?
I think they really need to reissue that one. It's so ignored.
greg mo
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BTW, I'm looking for the Shorty Rogers Mosaic. I'm just sayin'............
Dude, I'm a saint, not a god.
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Have all the IP sets I want (hey, it's an addiction, ok?)
Of the OOP sets, I'd like:
Nat King Cole trio set
Commodore sets (though I'd prefer cds to LPs, and those were LP only)
Art Hodes
Albert Ammons/Meade Lux Lewis
Have all the sessions from the Grant Green/Sonny Clark set been reissued by Blue Note?
greg mo
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What's frustrating is that Legacy stopped a very fine reissue program short of completeness. Several of the Ellington albums never got that treatment--"Drum is a Woman," "Bal Masque," and "Indigos," come immediately to mind--and there are any number of other Columbia artists who should have gotten it. But instead, we get this mammoth and quite useless Miles Box. Legacy already issued this music in its series of excellent Miles boxes. Like Lon says, weird, but also infuriating!
I guess we should take some miniscule comfort in the fact that they're issuing SOMETHING!
greg mo
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I don't think ANY of us will ever catch up to Lon!!
greg mo
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Even though they probably have a zillion of them in stock, I ordered the Zeitlin, and it shipped today. I'd been putting that one off, but....
Hope I like it!
greg mo
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I suspect that most who avail themselves of "free downloads" wouldn't buy the sets anyway. Still, I don't blame them for not offering pdfs of any in-print sets. For oop stuff, though, that can only be gotten by, er, "trading" I don't see the harm. Part of their sales pitch is that once these sets are gone they are gone for good. One would have to be naive not to think that sets that are sold out and never to be repressed - especially of music of such high cultural importance as this - wouldn't be shared in some way later on. If such important music can't be accessed more broadly, then classic jazz really will die off with us...
But if part of the attraction of these sets in the first place is that they are limited editions, I would think that Mosaic would, and should, do everything they can to ensure that they remain so. Otherwise they'll have to change their sales pitch to, kind of limited.
That's definitely part of the attraction. I don't know how many times I've waited until a set went on "Running Low" or "Last Chance" to buy it because after that I knew they wouldn't be easily attainable. If not "limited," I might have waited indefinitely - or until I had the extra cash.
I think most of us here are "collectors" as well as just fans of the music, and Mosaic makes a nice collectible package. Those willing to pay for it get a limited package that, besides giving them the music, also has a history of appreciation. But after Mosaic sells out (or times out), what other options are there for someone who just wants to appreciate the music but can't find a set to purchase?This is all very interesting, but all I suggested was making the *booklets* of OP sets, to which Mosaic does own the rights, available for pdf download at a price. Might they then end up getting traded? Probably--but no more so that the music from the discs themselves. After all, Mosaic is perfectly willing to sell leftover booklets right now even if the sets to which they originally were attached are out of print. I just recently bought several, some I just wanted (like the first Commodore book with a very cool big interview with Milt Gabler), and some to go with more recently issued music that was once on an OP Mosaic set, like the Freddie Redd, the Don Cherry, and the Tina Brooks. Selling pdf files of their booklets could bring in some extra cash. I know I'd buy one of the Nat King Cole set which I was too poor to afford at the time.
greg mo
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seems like they just updated the list of sold out sets but forgot to add the patton... feels like chaos....
No surprise there. I'm sure they're overwhelmed. It's not like it's a very big operation.
I did suggest to Scott a few weeks ago that they consider making booklets from OP sets available for pdf download. He said he'd take it to the "higher ups," though who on earth that might be I can't imagine--just Cuscuna, probably!
All that said, I think fears of their impending demise are premature. Well, I hope so anyway! I want that Ellington 30s set!
greg mo
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I pulled the now-sadly-lost Lou Donaldson set off the shelf and am listening to disc one. Curtis Fuller is on fire.
greg mo
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I have a memory of Sinatra's paying for a jazz musician's funeral. Willie Dennis maybe?
I think he paid for lots of them, along with hospital bills (including for Mildred Bailey, whom he never even met), tax bills, and other charities. His rule in general was that his gifts be anonymous. He really was an interesting character.
greg mo
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I'm thinking of the Zeitlin too. Any reports on that from those who have it?
As for the Donaldson and the Washington sets, the Donaldson is *really* excellent--one of my favorites--and losing that one is a major tragedy. I have the Washington because I'm something of a Dinah fan and a completist, but were I beginning an exploration of her music, it would rank near the bottom in terms of material. The 50s Emarcy things represented her best, I think.
This just sucks. I bet Scott and Michael are *really* furious about it.
greg mo
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horseshit and fornication...
(new addictive game?)kinky...very kinky....
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this must be what happens when you listen to No Room For Squares on meth
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Personally, I'd rather have a cd release than a download, I haven't doen BTs yet and don't inted to start.
I feel sort of bad buying these from the pirates, but. . . I still buy some.
As do I, but usually only sets I can't get anywhere else. I've *never* bought one of the Mosaic ripoffs, for example. But when the only place to get the Jimmy Cleveland sessions is Lonehill, I get them there. 'Course, we've all had this conversation before, haven't we.
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Has anyone checked www.deepdiscount.com? They've had a fair number of the selects in the past. Might be a few copies of the cut sets there for a decent price.
I think this is the first time I've ever seen any Mosaic sets disappear completely without any "Last Chance" warning. Very scary.
greg mo
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im sorry im sorry- my orig. post was going to be narrower but i lost focus on it and thats what happened i think origianlly i just wanted to know, how RCA, the GREAT RCA, could do something so assinine like put the session/personel info buried in this love letter on the back to you.
I'd rather they bury it in the liner notes as opposed to not listing it at all. I can't tell you how many albums I have that don't bother to list the personnel.
Or the recording date. That one always aggravates me.
greg mo
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OK, time for one of my "I'm an ignorant moron" posts. What exactly are you guys talking about?! What are "Bit-Torrent" sites, where are they, and how do they work?
It's tough being a Luddite, but hey, somebody has to do it! :blush2:
greg mo
B-T is a technology that allows peer-to-peer file transfers in a unique way - you don't just receive files (music or movies typically) with one other person but as part of a "swarm", that is you could get a half a megabyte from one peer, and another half a megabyte from another - and the B-T software you use puts it all together in the right order. When encoded as FLAC files, the music is compressed but not "lossy" and will sound exactly like it sounded originally. It even recognizes if a download is incomplete and furnishes you with the missing bits. Simultaneously, you are uploading bits and pieces from what you have received to other members of the "swarm". So there is no central server that hosts files, as the early music sharing sites did.
Dime, AKA dimeadozen, allows B-T uploads that are non-commercial and not specifically disallowed by either the artist or the venue. There are other sites that freely share copyrighted material including things like Chuck's reissues, current releases and current movies.
Dan, thanks for the quick reply. It is definitely a brave new world, but it sounds like a wonderful way to share high-quality, mostly non-copyrighted material. Too bad the pirates are all over it. I hope a way can be found to keep them out.
greg mo
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OK, time for one of my "I'm an ignorant moron" posts. What exactly are you guys talking about?! What are "Bit-Torrent" sites, where are they, and how do they work?
It's tough being a Luddite, but hey, somebody has to do it! :blush2:
greg mo
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I like that cover; at least its a tacit acknowledgment that old people have sex.
Oh, thanks for building THAT image in my head!
greg mo
Crosby/Sinatra/Lee/Christy boxes....
in Mosaic and other box sets...
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Al Haig really deserves a Mosaic box--a really good and interesting pianist.
greg mo