K1969

I'm confused, and your presumably made-up names aren't helping. Are Bullshitforall, Recordsofsound, and Shitforbrains the same seller or different? You're not helping me know who to stay away from. To save you reading the last 8 pages, he was called recordsforall and ripped off 75,000$ from fake auctions of jazz and psych LPs in late December. I say "was" because he's been kicked off ebay. Recordsofsound is a totally different ebayer who thinks that Nevada is a state in Japan - ask Jazzguy about him. So getting back to recordsforall (I know, it's a joke - hence the word play), what you really need to look out for is the name behind it: Diego Padovese alias The Smart Groover (another ironic name), a small time Italian DJ, soon to be doing time.

OK it's a long posting but hopefully of interest. You can now follow the Padovese odyssey on satellite TV, via your Blueberry, Ipod and soon to be serialised in Harpers and Queen and in a 5 part Teledrama starring Martin Sheen as the overbearing father, John Travolta the older brother and respected Milan DJ, and Emilio Estevez, the dumb youngest son and wanna-be baad-ass vinly gangster. He's bloody everywhere: Soul source in the UK Here, angry brit DJs are broadcasting his name over the radio and threatening to end his DJ career by all means possible: "Dave, give me his details full name, location etc. and i will name and shame on the show mate no problem, this is just too much, when is all this gonna stop? and when are Ebay/Paypal gonna do something about this type of stuff, they claim to have security measures set in place yet situations like this seem to continue." "'Does anyone have a phone number for him. ......If anyone does know him, but doesn't want to hand out his phone number then get him to phone me 07971 141858 (00 44 7971 141858). I'm about a few hours away from getting on a plane very angry." And it gets better...much better... Soul Strut In the US they're saying that PayPal, desperate to refund victims without of course losing a nickel themselves (Mmmmm Ebay keeping it in the family...), have resorted to the most underhand means imaginable. Apparently they have yanked a load of legitimate payments that Diego made to a bunch of UK sellers for some 45s, AFTER, yes AFTER, the 45s had already been sent to him!!! Can you imagine??!!! They simply reversed the transactions and redirected the money into the accounts of some of his dodgy auction victims!!!!! So it's not inconceiveable that local hero JazzGuy, now has a some of the cash that originated from the Northern UK dealers, from Diego!! Hey keep it! I fully intend to get my hands on some of it too. I might be a limey but I'm a southern one, and now live in France - so you can tell where my sympathies lie. Here's Soul Strut: "wow, thanks Chris, apparently he sold a bunch of records, filled his paypal account to the tune of 10,000 pounds, bought a handfull of rare 45's from some brits then never sent the stuff he sold, so buyers yanked their paypal transactions and then Paypal reversed all the stuff he bought from the brits, so now he's got some bulldog heavyweight northern blokes ready to invade Italia just like Operation Husky in the dubya dubya eye eye." I just can't believe the god almighty mess this guy has created. It's surreal. Utterly Surreal. He's loooking more and more like a kind of Forrest Gump figure or that Peter Sellers character in "Being There" - causing total chaos in his wake, so effortlessy, that you'd be forgiven for thinking it was the work of some evil criminal genius, and not in fact that of a vacant, unknown DJ from "Colleferro" - wherever the fuck that is. Half of Europe and North America want him dead either for ripping them off or for unwittingly diverting funds from legitimate transactions. And the REALLY galling thing is that he GOT the 45s, effectively free of charge!!! So now, as well as us, there's a bunch of mad UK sellers after him and Pay Pal. And these guys come from the north and really are quite mad, clinically speaking, believe me: John Manship - well known UK soul 45 dealer: "BEWARE!! We no longer accept PAY PAL. Why?Because Pay Pal seem to think they can take your payments back .. at will!" and from another supportive dealer.... "Paypal put the funds into my account as cleared funds, so how can they now try to claim the money back from me. As this was cleared funds that Paypal allowed me to move to my Bank I then spent it!!!!!!!! They should be chasing Diego, as the purchaser and the person how commited the funds I agree with John (Manship) it's about time people collectively started making a fuss about the shitty way Paypal does business. Maybe we could start something through this site, use real people power to make Paypal clean up it's business" But don't worry - these sites may have got the scoop but all the postings began in February so hold your heads high because the world read it here first at organissimo!!!! Who do you take your hat off to? Diego for pissing off half the groove community in the western hemisphere, or pay pal for making him seem positively cuddly by comparison. Hey Diego, "matey", if you're reading this in some kind of blurred narcissistic web binge, congrats' you're famous. How about writing a book about your exploits to raise money to pay us back? You'll have to do something in jail to while away the time, afterall it certainly won't have internet access.

I admit that I was naive before recordsfornoone burned me, but the past month has been a rapid wake-up, and what i now find so amazing is how you guys can spot a scam a mile off whilst ebay are still so blind to it?!!! I can't believe that pure love of money is the only explanation, since administering all the post scam litigations must take 3 times the man power than shutting them down in the first place. And anyway when this reaches critical levels - and that doesn't seem far off - people will start turning away. Maybe they could employ you lot as a kind of crack scam watch?! Naaa i wouldn't want to work for EvilBay either

Buyers are protesting that he refused pay pal after the auctions were closed. Comments like "advertised paypal but wont accept it,i'm not sending £130 without it. !!!!" and " the seller claimed to accept paypal 1st, but renege on it after i won! INCREDIBLE" I wonder if Diego's given him some friendly advice - a kind of scammers cooperative?

Finally the inevitable - he's no longer a registered ebay member: refundsforall I'd like to think that he was pushed rather than jumped since he's probably got several other ebay ID's - hopefully ebay will root them out too. 30 negs from a single auction. Maybe it's a record? Could and should've been higher though. I guess this means that noone else can add feedback. Pity. I'll miss seeing the nails being driven in day by day.... Pay pal today confirmed that they'll refund me in due course. Jazzguy is right to urge sticking with them. The more items you "won" the longer the bureaucracy takes until you're refunded. I "won" three items so I'll have to wait up to 60 days from the time my dispute entered the review phase. I'm very confident we'll see our $ back. I've learnt two things from this fiasco: 1. Don't rely on the % positive feedback ratio - check to see if previous auctions are consistent with the current one, check the ebay registration date, insist on scans, don't bid on private auctions etc. 2. If it's a big $ purchase, only bid if it's got pay pal buyer protection Oh and a third thing, don't trust anyone who calls you "mate" in their emails.

Diego's now notched notched up 29 negs and dipped below 96% pos feedback feedbackforall

Good advice, thanks. I paid by credit card with Pay pal so I'll contact visa. I'm in contact with two other burned buyers one of whom also knows a third who is a lawyer who's gone to the NY attorney general's office to day to find out his rights. Pay pal today told me that they have an outside agency called the MRO or something who are responsable to "go out and get the money back". Sounds like they're getting down and dirty.

The criticism is valid, and on pages 1-3 it was totally warranted.....but it gets a bit "told you so" by the time you arrive at page 6 and have already read my own self-criticisms. Pay pal USA are now saying that they can't retrieve the money from Recordsfornoone's account , announcing that they have "taken action against him". I just hope that this isn't short hand for "Put on a shelf and gradually forget about it" ALL the criteria for pay pal protetion were satisfied by the auctions (not less than 98% positive feedback at the time of the auction, from an accepted pay pal member country which Italy is, brandishing the pay pal protection sign, verified pay pal seller, etc, etc). The presence of pay pal protection was one of the factors that contributed to my decision to bid and pay. There's going to be an almighty scandal if they don't hold their word. If pay pay put their protection stamp onto auctions, obvious scam or not, they must be then follow it through to the end. Otherwise Pay Pal buyer protection means nothing at all - and this is what people will read about in blogs like this and hopefuly in print too, if they do nothing about it. Another factor why I paid is because I had previously filed a claim via paypal and was refunded rapidly with no questions asked - that time there was alot less $ at stake - but this time around the fraud is much clearer. Money talks - and they said it - "insured up to 2000$"

I agree that they should just abolish private feedback altogether. But since they probably won't, i'd suggest modifying your third rule which could (in rare cases) penalise some sellers when the it's the buyer who's at fault. I suggest making it impossible for a seller to go private whilst he still has unresolved auctions. He has to wait, say, until at least 60 days after the end of the auction. Since it's now going to (or already is?) impossible to sell with private feedback, it's only logical that you can't "turn" private right after bids have been placed or payment made, as nothingforall did. It's totally wrong to be able to encourage people to bid on an open, public auction, only to move the goal posts half way through the process. So if you start as a public seller, you should end as a public seller - period. Afterwards you can then go private for whatever twisted reason you want to, but it can't be to rip people off, cos you won't be able to sell any more. Maybe this is already part of the new rule discussed above. But if so, and if it's already in place as Peebles says, then it must have been introduced right after bullshitforall finished his auctions, cos it never stopped him......er I guess that must be just pure freaky coincidence.... Also I'd add that you should only be able to turn new feedback private - all historically public feedback should remain public. Lastly I can confirm from info receveid via paypal that fuckallforall is indeed "The SmartGroover" DJ from Colferro. "Smart"... the irony is too painful. I was stupid to pay, but he takes the brain cell count to unexplored depths. Tweedle dumb and tweedle dumber.

Knowing this guy he'll miss the wall and piss all over his shoes

By the way did you hear about the new rule that ebayers who make thier feedback private will no longer be able to sell? It's due to start I think in March this year

Heads up! Just got another email from recklessforall. He's completely pissing his pants now. He's stopped calling me "mate", calls by my real name, and seems finally to have woken up to reality. I wouldn't believe it if he wasn't still frozen to pay pal with his name, address and identity being investigated as we speak. He's scared to go to jail, to lose his job etc. He should be. I told him to do the right thing and contact pay pal and start cooperating formally with them. Pay pal are now copied on all communications that go between me and him, with my formal claim number in the title. If you were also scammed and are receiving similar messages from him, then I suggest you do the same. If you were scammed but did not get an email from him admitting his guilt, or if you got negative feedback from him after wisely refusing to pay, then contact me via this blog and I will forward it to you. I cannot go into the details, but suffice to say, it's confirmed that he's fighting a battle on two fronts not one. That much is sure. Nothing else explains why he didn't grab the money and run - we simply weren't his intended targets. It may all sound a bit incredible, but you have to realise that what we're dealing with here is a man of a rare and concentrated idiocy. He even says so himself. One of the two fronts is, of course, ebay and paypal. As for the other, well it depends on what you believe and interpret. I don't necessarily believe his version of events, (ripped off by the original owner) - but it's no less credible than the one that I offerred up for discussion a few days back. (if you got to read it before I took it down, then you know what I'm talking about). Either way, he's in a real mess.

I can tell you that no one's more obsessed that I am! I'd like to see more negatives but i have already managed to get in contact with other "winners" who lost their money and have filed formal claims but are yet to leave negatives!!!!. I know that this wounds ridiculous, and somewhat hypocritical too, but its true. I think that they're scared of retaliation. Personally I'm passed giving a @€!§* about retaliation. But the fact remains that many claims have been filed that we don't see and can't count. There SHOULD be more negatives and it annoys me that people are shying away but we're only at 30 days since payment. There's a lot who haven't been following things as closely as us and whose patience is soon going to snap. I expect/hope to see a flood of them soon. To see another chat room on this go to audioasylum.com and search by recordsforall.

I agree and as a victim I take off my hat to Jazzguy for blowing the whistle on recordsfornoone. I had already paid but at least he made me monitor the situation better and I reckon that I must be have been one of the first to open an official claim as a result. The irony is that despite the three negs i gave him over a week ago, bullshitforall still hasn't retailated against me like he did for you. I even asked him in the negs to retalite so I could then follow up in public , rather than have it all burried in his yellow belly private feedback. My intention was to say - for the truth, google 'recordsforall fraud'. He's still logging in cos he sent us all a pathetic email via ebay the other day. He just knows that with 23 negs and rising there's no point retaliating any more. So you guys took the hits to start the ball rolling but as you say, you'll soon have that wiped from the record. I'm fairly optimistc that we'll get some of our $ back since it's such an open and shut case. It'sll make total mockery of pay pal's buyer protection scheme if they can't refund a verified paypal seller whose transactions carrried the buyer protection symbol and who has admitted to fraud via ebay's own message service - now on file - who has several claims against him and 23 negs. The people I really feel sorry are those who didn't pay via pay pal - if there were any. Recordsfornoone, policerecordforhim.

I totally agree with you - just look at the numbers - 22 negs so far from 10 members - where is everyone else?

K1969, I am sorry for your problems, but I warned the people here. Maybe too late. Hope you'll get your money back. Yeah thanks. I admit that I was dumb to have bidded. No way around that

Dear all I decided to take my entry down pending the outcome of the pay pal investigation - I do not want to prejudice their analysis of events with speculation. I hope you understand. I will write when all is concluded but silence for now is my best strategy. You've got the main gist already. sorry for this unconventional action. Thanks for your supportive comments. Regards for now, K1969

I was one of the gullible who lost money but now he's panicking. He sent me an email today apologising. pay pal have seized his account. He's the most stupid con artist I've ever come across. OK i was dumb to pay but he takes idiocy to extremes by giving us all fake registered numbers so we can prove that he's a liar early on, and then by not closing his account before it's seized, and then today by apologising for his crimes to us via ebay's official messaging service!!!! I almost feel sorry for him but I'll wait to get my money back first ......I have a theory about why he got him self into such a mess. I can't divulge to many details because it could prejudice my formal claim with pay pal. I'll post it later when i have the time cheers for now, K1969. NEGOMETER latest - 22 and rising !