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Supporting Hubbard you've got Joe Henderson, Hancock and Ron Carter. I agree with your description of Lenny White's playing - in the groove but looser than others - a bit like Jack De Johnette. I guess that un reconstructed funk addict like me would've preferred less art and more ass on this particular track. You can't please everyone...

He's probably a great drumer technically and it's true that he was till in his teens when he played on Hubbard's hit Red Clay, but had CTi asked thier house drummers like Cobham or Idris Muhammad, it've become become the groove monster it should've been.

Terry Callier is one of my all time favourite artists. He was greatly influenced by Coltrane when he saw him play live in the 60s. I guess that he's the closest thing you can get to a Coltrane influenced soul singer. When you listen to sections of tunes like "Can't catch the train", "Alley wind song" or "Dancing Girl", the influence is explicit. He's a very spiritual artist and not really like anyone else I've ever heard. In MHO his best LP is "What colour is love" for the epic track Dancing Girl which, if you listen to the lyrics, is actually about Bird addicted to heroin. You can hear the full track at http://www.waxingdeep.org/ - 3/4 through the January 26th 2007 radio show. The music in "What colour is love" also has one of the rare accolades of being as beautiful as the cover:

here's the whatever happened to Eric Kloss thread: http://www.organissimo.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=17357 thanks!

Anyone know what happened to Ivan Boogaloo Joe Jones?? I heard rumours that he went the same way as another of my favourite musicans, Shamek Farrah, that is to say that he crashed and burned, finding salvation in the church as a priest (see my previous posting on Shamek Farrah alias Rev Anthony Domacase) Apparently Boogaloo Joe has disowned all his previous work, especially the more, how shall I say, of the flesh stuff. Personally I find it a little sad that my favourite musicians seem to turn their backs on their work, but perhaps this is all groundless rumour - if so I apologise to the man. So if you've got any news on him or on anyone else for that matter who's gone totally off the radar, please share it with us. (Another "lost" artist I'm curious to hear about is Eric Kloss).

As the disembodied field of energy who brought up Leonard Feather in this discussion, I should clarify that I didn't intend my statement as a condemnation of LF. I simply find it funny that he always tries to work his way into the action. This thread has taken a surprisingly serious turn!! I was rather expecting to see a bunch of humourous quotes from quirky sleave notes. I didn't even know that this polemic about vereran writers existed (which goes to show just how little I do know - what exactly was it all about?) But I found Teasing the Korean's comments about Feather just amusing, almost - dare I say it - affectionately so. Any way here's another case of memorable liner notes - memorable because they were all wrong! When Ira Gitler was asked to write for Bobby Hutcherson's LP, San Francisco, he was obviously given a promotional tape with an incorrect track running order. Not only did Gitler's tape and running order not correspond, but later on when the LP was released, the track running order was again changed, leading to the total confusion of neither name, description (solo order, tempo etc) nor the music corresponding . As was usually the case, the LP begins with its fastest and funkiest track, but for Gitler it began with a very dark, moody and cerebral piece that you'd normally expect at the end of side one. It's only possible to join up the dots thanks to the descriptive detail that he expends on each track. You can tell that Gitler too found that the sound in his ears bore no relation to the titles he had: "(Joe) Sample's Jazz is an odd title for such an atmoshperic piece"; a vibrant latin hard bop track logically called A night in Barcelona, for Gitler, had "a strong rock beat with the floating modal feel of John Coltrane"; a track called Goin' down south which, as the title would suggest, is a down home style, feel good groove, to Gitler was the dark, cerebral piece referred to above, provoking the ascerbic comment that "Goin' down south is a trip for the mind. It's probably more rewarding than taking your body". Had he been given the right running order, these words would never have come to him. At least then, out of respect for the musicians, he was seriously trying to couple seemingly incongruous music with titles. Only one out of the six tracks happens to have the correct description, title and running order, and again to his credit, Gitler recognises the fit of the "soul excursion on Hutcherson's aptly namedUmmh" So I guess the irony is that Gitler - and the thankless task of sleeve note writing - comes out of this quite well. Proof that sometimes at least, they did thier best to empathise with the material they were writing about - even when it had nothing to do with the titles.

You know it's not the best LP in the world when the most memorable thing about it are the liner notes. Mort Fega, New York DJ in the 60s, found it such a drag to shamelessly sing the praises - on commission - of any-old LP in its liner notes, that he used this as his inspiration for, well, the liner notes, to Jack McDuff's 1969 LP Gin and Orange: "...you don't know how I feel about liner notes on the back cover of albums. For the most part I think they're a drag!!!. The record companies pick out a guy..pay him a few bucks to do it, secure in the knowledge that he's going to say only nice things about it. It doesn't matter what he thinks of the album. He's being paid and you can bet your ass he's going to say, if not great things, at least good things. I've written my fair share over the years, and I suppose I've been as guilty as the rest (I did send one back once and asked them to get someone else to do it because I couldn't, with any conscience, sign my name to it.....and the guy called me up and asked if i was crazy or too well off to use the money that it would bring, but I've become more selective of late and I REALLY have to dig a guy's music before I want to put the "MF stamp of good listening" on it." And on he went, neatly segueing into why he can't find a bad thing to say about Mc Duff's below par (IMO) LP.

The conscientious french postman where I work in Marseille was so concerned to get all the mail safely inside my firm's delivery box that he kindly bent my LP in two so it wouldn't protrude. He was right - no one would steel it that way.

Not really a "fuck up" but still an impossible situation that lead to negative vinly equity. Back in 1990 when I was just a kid in London discovering jazz, I was really into an LP by Walter Bisphop Jr called Coral Keys. This was well before ebay opened up the maket to the Europeans. So back then, judging by the ultra budget cover art and general obscureness of the whole deal, I was convined that this was rarer than a good LP by Acker Bilk. Anyway I went to see the old guy play at a small east-end club and took the LP along to get him to sign it. When he saw it he was so amazed that he grabbed it from me and stared at it in a daze. He asked me how I found it and I replied somewhat reticently "with a lot of difficulty". He then asked me if I could find him one too. Jesus what a dilemma. So I had to give him mine of course. The guy was old and his memories were wrapped up in this LP. But i was gutted. I expected to go home with a signed treasure, not empty handed! Fortunately it proved to be a relatively easy find once the internet got going. But µI still had about 7 years of waiting and cursing my scruples!

Yes I'm referring to all of side B of First Impressions but especially the title track which just just stands out there on it's own. Hard to label it. That said I quite dig side 1 too but it's definately not funky

Apparently he's now gone full swing, from Islam to Christianity via drug addiction, and goes by the name Rev. Anthony Domacase: Rev. Anthony Domacase was born in New York City, New York. He has been playing the alto saxophone for over thirty-nine years. He is a former jazz recording artist who’s recordings have been released on five different record labels around the world. Those record releases are under his stage name “Shamek Farrah”, a name he gave himself while practicing the Islamic religion. While performing as a jazz artist, he developed a drug addiction that almost claimed his life. But, through prayer, God came to his rescue. Through his wife and her pastor, he accepted Jesus Christ in his life, repented and turned from a life of iniquity. That life of iniquity generated one if the best slices of free funk known to man. His new band is called The Anointed Vessels and his latest release is called Give Thanks. To my great surprise, Milton Suggs ain't on bass: sound samples He's last on the right in the front row: From left to right at back: Minister Ouida Smith, Minister Belinda Haynes, Minister Sharon Gore, Minister Debra Teel, Minister Trudy Dinkins, Minister Vanessa Burel. From left to right at front: Minister Ameyer Adams, Pastor Wanda Roberson-Adams, Minister Anthony Domacase

As another of Diego's (bastard) babies that stumbled his way over here, it's nice to see you sticking around Brian. Though I'm not at all knowledgeable on rare recordings, one thing that I can say in general, is that as Brit, home grown UK jazz vinyl seems horrendously difficult to find compared to the US stuff. Joe Harriot, Don Rendall, Tubby Hayes, Peter King, Stan Tracey - you name it. I've been to the states three times on short stays yet always managed to find some interesting stuff in any thrift store that I ventured in. One of these trips was to San Juan Island off the Seattle coast, more famed for wild Orcas than vinly, and even there I found some nice Adderley's on Riverside. On the other hand, I've spent the best part of 34 years in London and NEVER have I found even a gnarled copy of anythjing you would recognise as decent mainstram british jazz from the 60s. There are some obvious macro cultural and demographic reasons for this, but still, the extent of the void is amazing. One contributory factor could be my own self predjudice that americans recycle their culture more whereas the stingy brits hoard it under the floorboards.

It's a kind of laid back fusion of afro caribbean and soul jazz in a large band context. Very nice for Farrah's open, angular alto but not as intense as the Strata stuff with no Mr Suggs supplying the edge. Still worth picking up though. Accurate review here: http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/article.php?id=16458 Almost evey time I see this guy's name mentioned, it's accompanied by questions like "Who is he?" and "Where can I hear more?"

I agree. I've only heard Suggs on three LPs - two by Shamek Farrah and one by Byron Morris. I was so impressed that this was still enough to make him one of my favourite bassists. He has a brooding, restless style that contrasts well with Farrah's uncluttered, souring alto. Anyone know anymore stuff by him? Regarding First Impressions, it's one of my all time favourites and in MHO the best of the strata east label. The title track is also the greatest fusion of funk and free jazz that I've ever heard - even better than AEOC's Theme do Yoyo. It's also beautifully produced/recorded. For someone who likes beats and abstraction together this is a real treasure.

When I lived in Kyushu, Japan in the mid 90s I found a perfect sealed copy of the Art Ensemble of Chicago's Les Stances de Sophie on the French Pathe label. Its my only real "find". It was sealed in a kind of baggy with japanese import stickers all over all it in Kanji. Normally they were never sealed except for export. I don't even think that it was ever sold in significant numbers over there and my guess was that it was a sample copy sent out with a view to gain distribution. It just cost the equivalent of about 30$. I couldn't believe my luck but I have to say that when I compared it my later US pressing on Nessa , the sound, to my surprise and disappointment, wasn' half as good, so I've kept both! Maybe it's my turntable?

Happy to confirm that I just got the 607$ back from pay pal. Assuming that the other buyers I'm in touch with will also get refunded, it's fair to say that pay pal have stood by their word in this case at least. Thanks for your advice and may I NEVER, EVER, EVER be so bloody naive again (it wouldn't go with the cool pic of Booker for starters) Dante

Nice idea - I think they would've got into good natured battles like Ammons and Stitt did, only more out there

wouldn't want to change what was, just imagining what could've been. I love those sessions too - especially the Freedom Book.

I often find that some of my favourite artists have their best moments on other people's LPs. This can be because whilst I don't particularly like their bag as leader, I still appreciate their physical sound and technical style, which comes out better for me in someone else's group. For me Booker Ervin is a good example. Whilst I like his solo stuff (I haven't heard it all yet but I know that i's highly rated) I really love the touches he brings to other peoples' LPs - Pony Poindexter's Gumbo, Andrew Hill's Grass Roots, or Roy Haynes Cracklin' for example. There are bad examples too where artists with no natural empathy were put together by the studios to create music that sounds forced or simply strange - check out Sonny Stitt playing bebop-ish solos alongside Melvin Sparks and Leon Spencer in his 70s Lps. Sometimes though the results, though strange, can work brilliantly. Eg when Fantasy records put Joe Henderson in the same studio as Charles Earland (Leaving this Planet ) and Patrice Rushens (Prelusion). This led me to the admittedly frivolous idea of imagining my own mythical super group - the group I'd most like to have heard that never existed. So it's a pretty wierd mix I agree, but I'd love to have known how the bottom funk of Suggs and Muhammad - letting alone just putting those two together - would've then influenced the avant gardism of Tyner or the sheer gutsy emotion of Ervin. Tenor Booker Ervin Drums Idris Muhammad Bass Milton Suggs Piano Mc Coy Tyner Anyone else want to suggest their super group or comment about Booker Ervin?

thanks Brian. After reading your earlier post I just threatened them a legal action by email and reminded them of their totally unequivocal obligation to refund us without exception. I linked this page. We'll see. Jazzguy took 8 negs from this guy. i know that we've talked about this before and that most of us think that its more likely that Diego will win the nobel prize than ebay do the right thing, but if we put in a collective word, given the circumstances, maybe they'll wipe them? Stranger things have happenned haven't they? Such as a collection of perfect, never played lexington's from the estate of Alfred Lion's shoe shiner,.......

Congratulations! I'm still waiting for my refund so I have a couple of quick questions for you. - Did you pay for one or for multiple items? - Did you post your claim earlier or later than mine ( Jan 24th)?. I'm asking because they tell me that as a multiple auction winner it'll take longer for me. I can't see why this should be the case. Also i hear that ebayer Pyschmonster who i hear that you may be in contact with, is still waiting for his refund and like me, I think that he paid for miltiple items. Thanks, Dante

right. I waded in just to remind them that he's a criminal. GOd it's so easy to ruffle thier feathers. My ID there's DanteS http://www.soul-source.co.uk/forum/index.p...rt=#entry434232 They reacted by saying that I should be more respectful as a new member. Bollocks I say. They say that he has good intentions because people are being paid back. Sure that's right. Pay pal called him up, sat him on their knee and explained about all the nice people he'd hurt and how his nose would keep growing longer and longer if he kept on lying. He cried and pleaded forgiveness. He's now working as a volunteer in a donkey sanctuary. Sneakywax knows how it's done - squeeze pay pal, and they'll put any one through the vice to avoid getting nipped. Everybody's guarding thier rear end.

At soul source some are now suggesting that Diego is in league with another pay pal member - sending funds between accounts, emptying the accounts, then charging back the funds via pay pal under the pretext of fraud. "Another thing that puzzles me is he said he had the money in his paypal account before he got a chargeback a month later from paypal which he then used to buy the £10k worth of 45s what the f**k did he sell to get that much dough in his paypal account a ferrari ? you can only ask for 3 charge backs a year from paypal if you are a buyer. Is this a loophole to get a mate to put money in your paypal account you then spend the money then your mate makes a chargeback against you after you've spent all the dough. your mate then gets his money back and you've got 10k worth of 45's for f*** all. At the end of the day who spends 10k on 45s when they know they haven't got the money unless they are up to something." http://www.soul-source.co.uk/forum/index.p...t=0#entry433345 Personally I think that Diego assassinated JFK and was the driver of the "third car" that killed Princess Diana.

Nice one - how did you find that out? It's clearly him cos it's not longer an registered user ID - Ie ebay are shutting down all his aliases. http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...ecordscollector I've had the drugged up, grovelling, incoherent, treatment too: "I tried to refund moneys but paypal limited my account, and I can't do nothing now...what can I do now?? This situation is killing me....I know I've been stupid in first place, but now? I'm damning my self for what I've done, but I have no way out of it....." when I read so far I thought, shit may be he's cracking, may be he's going to top himself. We all do stupid shit once in our life..... ...but then you read on and it's back to the bull shit "I'm not a criminal , I really didn't want to do it that way....it was just all bad things coming together.." ....and you realise that this guy's got zero grasp of reality. He talks as if we all go back a long way together. High school mates. Kind of "Hey I crashed your Porsche, then sold it to a repair garage for 2000$ and bought a rolex, so I can't pay you back 'n all.... but i didn't want it to turn our like that....... I didn't meant it, it was just like bad vibes n' all. The rolex came running at me and sort of ordered me to buy it like, which was after the speed barrier lept at the Porsche that i was driving at high speed, making me crash it, like. Sort of bad shit coming together like at the wrong time - know what I mean? mate?..hey mate where are you ...mate? mate? MATE!! HEY MATE!! Hey is any body listening,,, hey MAAAAATTTTE!!!!!" You sad sad man.

If the real guy behind this isn't called Diego Padovese and has never been to Colleferro then we've all been had by one clever SOB - pay pal, the bidder-payers, and several UK 45s dealers. However my hunch is that he is called Diego Padovese and does live in Colleferro afterall I've not heard anyone called the smartgroover protest his innocence so far, and there are many references on the web equating Diego with the smartgroover that as early as 2005. He's just managed to make an enormous amount of enemies in a very short space of time. I just wish he wasn't a rugby player