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Allan, um, aside from the fullsome praise heaped on yourself what did you think of Gerber's book (;

Another one for ignore. This from a guy so self-absorbed he put the board through changes deleting his posts after making a big drama queen speech about leaving the forum only to return and delight everyone with courageous accounts of the private sex lives of dead musicians. Tiresome.

Bravo! Jon's a great guy and fine musician. Jimmy's a hero and mentor. Can't wait!

I like the kibbitzing better than the serious stuff. I over-reacted b/c I was trying to have a serious discussion about a book I was excited about and Chuck's timing wlth that remark just rubbed me the wrong way. That editor remark struck me as accusatory and ill-timed when I wanted to talk about the book. Chuck's style is bluntness, which I admire in one on on one dialog, but can be mistconstrued on the Web. Sometimes you meet people on the Internet you would admire in real life, but on the web you get on each other's nerves. And Larry gets to be the poor schnook with the thankless job of pulling us fighting babies by the ear-'you over here and you stay there. And if I hear ONE MORE WORD...' I admit I'm too thin-skinned. This was nothing. I just took it the wrong way at that moment. Now play ball.. I like the kibbitzing better than the serious stuff. I over-reacted b/c I was trying to have a serious discussion about a book I was excited about and Chuck's timing wlth that remark just rubbed me the wrong way. That editor remark struck me as accusatory and ill-timed when I wanted to talk about the book. Chuck's style is bluntness, which I admire in one on on one dialog, but can be mistconstrued on the Web. Sometimes you meet people on the Internet you would admire in real life, but on the web you get on each other's nerves. And Larry gets to be the poor schnook with the thankless job of pulling us fighting babies by the ear-'you over here and you stay there. And if I hear ONE MORE WORD...' I admit I'm too thin-skinned. This was nothing. I just took it the wrong way at that moment. Now play ball..

I tried to handle it properly and privately, and was fluffed off. The thing that offended me was that HE should have complained privately or even to me, not on a thread viewable to everyone that had nothing to do with that. It's bad manners, period. Anyway I'm ready to move on. I tried to handle it properly and privately, and was fluffed off. The thing that offended me was that HE should have complained privately or even to me, not on a thread viewable to everyone that had nothing to do with that. It's bad manners, period. Anyway I'm ready to move on. I tried to handle it properly and privately, and was fluffed off. The thing that offended me was that HE should have complained privately or even to me, not on a thread viewable to everyone that had nothing to do with that. It's bad manners, period. Anyway I'm ready to move on. I tried to handle it properly and privately, and was fluffed off. The thing that offended me was that HE should have complained privately or even to me, not on a thread viewable to everyone that had nothing to do with that. It's bad manners, period. Anyway I'm ready to move on. I tried to handle it properly and privately, and was fluffed off. The thing that offended me was that HE should have complained privately or even to me, not on a thread viewable to everyone that had nothing to do with that. It's bad manners, period. Anyway I'm ready to move on.

I can get you Fixed Murray for a song. Proviso: he's fresh to the lady dolls since that Cabbage Patch vixen threw him over. And he won't quit whistling the theme from Gomer Pyle, USMC

I can get you Fixed Murray for a song. Proviso: he's fresh to the lady dolls since that Cabbage Patch vixen threw him over. And he won't quit whistling the theme from Gomer Pyle, USMC

I can get you Fixed Murray for a song. Proviso: he's fresh to the lady dolls since that Cabbage Patch vixen threw him over. And he won't quit whistling the theme from Gomer Pyle, USMC

Jim, it's official. You got waaaay too much time to kill. Now get outta here, ya little knuckletowhead...

A damn fine gentleman of the theater was he, too. Like Hal Linden and Jerry Orbach he found late career success in TV work. Well, he had a headstart w/Car 54...

It's what Joe Pesci, in My Cousin Vinny, called a 'yout'. To which Fred Gwynne, the judge, replied 'What's a 'yout'' . Then he took off his robe and bolted-he was late for his Klan meeting...

There, I corrected my faux pas. Neh neh. Now you towheads go find a new toy. (Cue instant JSngry toy product photo insert)..

Very funny, boys. Does the word ANONYMOUS ring any bells? Well, shit, if there was ever a time for humor(; I'm taking this less seriously already... Who needs the tsuris? Now when the General makes his entrance nobody quote him and we're cool. Only joking-like God was when she made man...

Hound? Why not BEAR? (;

Pt. 2: we've had cordial relations, etc. This guy didn't see any harm in what was done and cavalierly told me if I didn't like his response complain to so-and-so. WTF? I don't excpect the guy to take my side. I DO expect an admin. to take a complaint seriously and not the frankly chickenshit respose. My follow up PM to say I don't see why I should complain again and I won't-who has time for such BS?-was unanswered. I believe in free speech, but it carries a responsibility of courteous self-editing-especially in publicly viewable media. If I complain about someone's behavior to the person charged w/monitoring same and get fluffed off to me it's saying some people have more rights here than others, some less. Bullshit. Can we keep the threads on topic please, w/o members going through this fol-de-rol? And I suggest the other guy just ignore ME-a civilized, adult solution. Hell, I'd PAY the MF (;

I'm going to be a gentleman about this because I am one, and not name names. I am very offended and pissed about the following: There is a member here who has engaged in ad hominen attacks against me and my posts since I joined in '04. I have nothing against the guy, he's quite admirable generally. We tried to work it out in posts, but didn't, so I decided to do the adult thing and put him on ignore. Figured that would be the end-I'm not here to fight but to exchange ideas w/people whose opinions I respect. Last night on a topic I started he wrote 'message to editors' and commenced a publicly viewable complaint that I have him 'blocked'. (I only saw lt when he was quoted-ignore blocks only original messages) I find this inappropriate, offensive. Write a PM to the admin.-or me even. I'm a big boy. Don't put my business on the street. Who I choose to ignore or why (he's the only one on the entire board BTW) is my business and my right. So I brought what went down to the att. of and admin., who I've had cordial

Jim, I didn't read the whole thing, and naturally am attracted to musician's comments. I do believe I recall references to Oscar Goodstien and Morris Levy. As a social historian I get the feeling Gerber was pretty comprehensive to talk about club or record company owners. I'll have a closer look next time I crack it, OK?

Other interviewees: Flora Purim, Steve Lacy, Stan Levy, Terry Gibbs (AKA Julius Gubenko), Jane Ira Bloom. A few of the comments were about how the musicians were inspired by cantorial music heard in temple. This made me think of 2 things: how much like blues Klezmer akways sounded to me-down to the note bends and vocal inflections-and the musical life of Harold Arlen, who came from a family of cantors and IMO is the most blues-influenced of the big-name ASB composers. Gershwin dealt w/it too, but Arlen made it sound like he was born to the blues. There seems to be a deep connection and, in some cases, Jewish musicians have been initially attracted to jazz for reasons other than its greatness or exposure. That's one value of a a book like this as oral history.

Message to editors: Comments like those, and other personal attacks, are the reason I 'blocked' this guy-which I believe is both my right and business. Now I'd be thrilled to get back to the subject, Mike Gerber's Jazz Jews.

Ha! The chickens have come home to roost. Let's see if Mr. Hersch can take criticism as well as he dishes it out to fellow musicians. No, he's not boring in the least to me, but a brilliant talent w/great ideas who has brought off countless interesting projects despite being at death's door. I gotta love a guy who can come out of a coma and turn it into gold and a My Coma Dreams tour. That's a sharp cookie! The only thing boring to me was printed unkind assessments of great pianists and other players I found a bit self-congragulatory. A musician that good is better off IMO letting the MUSIC speak. That part of Mr. Hersch I like best.

I've been reading this at Loren Schoenbergs National Museum of Jazz in Harlem. I think this Englishman has written a social history that will last-and has appeal beyond jazz jews like myself (; For one thing it has some of Artie Shaw's last interviews, and does he have things to say! The stuff about Roy Eldridge and prejudice alone almost had me in tears. And there's lots more. There are some factual errors like calling Julian Adderley a 'fellow tenor player' to Al Cohn-but do not be put off. I located Mr. Gerber's contact info and wrote him as a fan of the book who would humbly point out a few bloopers-and received a gracious response. I have no doubt there will be a 2nd ed. in which Mr. Gerber can make corrections he is eager to. Meanwhile for a valuable read on this music's history rife w/conversations on sensitive subjects like race relations, w/musicians alive and working, I think the man has done a commendable job. Bravo!

Thanks, Guy. All these refs. to 'side 2' are amusing. If l had space I'd have a turntable and get my LPs back-dinosaurs support dinosaurs. So since I have it on CD I'm assuming y'all mean from track 5 on, w/the Rhodes. Yes. that's a whole other thing, probably another session. I'm guessing Herbie, not Chick, is playing by the feel, funkiness. and content. Anyway, the long track that featured Ron, check out the soft doubled melody on Rhodes. It's subtle enough to be one of the great soft guitar players, like Jim Hall. It's a beautiful use of the Rhodes, and I can see where Miles was coming from. I know he said he had to change (sometimes I wonder if that's a commercial-or at least a head trip), but I wish he would've hung here just a bit longer. Who knows what else this collection of minds and spirits could have accomplished? But I guess bands don't last forever, people move on. As Miles himself observed (We left each other in a positive place, and you can't ask for more than that'.

I don't think on Speak Like.. but Little One is on Maiden Voyage. 81 has been recorded by Ron, its composer. also in trio by Ron, Herbie, Tony. The matetial of this band saw lots of action. BTW Speak like.. was arranged by Thad Jones, another trumpet player (actually cornet and flugelhorn) who refused to stand still. I'd love for someone to write a righteous bio. The VV Orch., under John Mosca, is still playing his charts.

Slide is a living master-player and writer. Did anyone hear his Jobim CD of a few years back? A keeper. I wonder how he gets that huge sound. A 'bone player friend said it's partly his horn and mouthpiece-closer to a classical player's set up.

Yeah, I loved Supernova. I liked Maria Booker holding back tears singing Dindi b/c she idolized Wayne-unless that's liner note BS. Of course Dindi itself is so beautiful it brings tears. I also dug Odyssey of Iska, also w/guitar (Gene Bertoncini). That title tune is like being carried away by a squall. Intense stuff and a little more out than Wayne in Miles's period.