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  1. Please. The issue is reporting or not reporting child abuse irrespective of who has an opinion about the source the TA consulted. Apples and oranges, VB.
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  3. There you go, Tim - its not the Welfare people declaring that the word of a psychic doesn't constitute evidence. Its the Board of Ed saying it. The Teacher and the Administration should have never acted. Period. End of discussion. But the teacher and the administration should not be punished for this. Whatever else may have happened, whatever shaky grounds there were for suspicion in the first place, they WERE only acting in the child's best interests. As Tim has said, if this had been a case of abuse where the teacher and the TA had turned a blind eye, people would be (rightly) calling for their heads. It was a Catch-22 situation. The teacher and the administration did what they believed was right and ultmately, there was no lasting harm done. Exactly, Alexander. I couldn't have said it any better.
  4. There you go, Tim - its not the Welfare people declaring that the word of a psychic doesn't constitute evidence. Its the Board of Ed saying it. The Teacher and the Administration should have never acted. Period. End of discussion. OK. Whatever, Dan. I can train a monkey to edit out sections to prove your own twisted bent on things. But if you scroll back to posts #104 and #107, I have cited quotes from that same article which flatly refute your sorry attempt at having to be right all the time. I don't work for the child welfare people or anybody's two-bit opinion on the matter...I work for the school district. I have to adhere to their rules, not the CPS after-the-fact-you-blew-it back peddle. Get it? The day those hyper-vigilant CPS guys protect my ass from prosecution from some bombastic asshole hell bent for a lawsuit because of a non-report of child abuse is the same day I ignore suspected child abuse allegations. You are absolutely out to lunch on this one and You are a complete idiot if you think we teachers are going to disobey our own bosses. Grab a clue once, Dan....fer crissakes. Amazing ignorance.
  5. Lenny Bruce died when he was 41. Do you think that had anything to do with it? No. Besides, Carlin IMO stopped being funny long before he himself was 41. Larry, With all due respect, I guess it depends on how you define the word "funny". To my way of thinking, "funny" can run the gamut from a pie in the face to what Carlin was during the second phase of his career. I don't think his rant on religion was funny in the classic sense of the term, but it was humorous in its point of view and, to some, insightful. I like The Stooges because they don't make me think. I like Carlin because he does. Both can be amusing in their own way. Up over and out. While I agree with your point that there's a big subjective element in what anyone does or does not find funny, what I was thinking is more along these lines: While not everything that's funny provokes actual laughter, the fact of laughter is really important because genuine laughter is an involuntary response, a step into another realm. Again, not all humor actually steps into that realm, but all humor that works at least refers to its basic principles (two of them being economy of movement [i.e you get somewhere more swiftly than you expected to] and obliqueness [where you end up is not where you though you would] -- actually those two principles pretty much are one). For instance, the weather forecast of Carlin's Al Sleet (I quote from ancient memory): "Tonight [a musing pause] dark ... turning light by morning." By contrast, there is the shaggy dog story, which is kind of a joke about joking, in that the economy principle is denied. P.S. I see what Al Sleet said was: ""Tonight's forecast: Dark. Continued dark throughout most of the evening, with some widely-scattered light towards morning." "In Balltimore it's 6:42. Time for the 11 o'clock report." Classic irony. Monty Python's Flying Circus American style.
  6. Jerry Springer does the same thing, but nobody seems to give shit about how his show runs people down.
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  8. And Frank Zappa. Good point. His last couple of albums were just downright lewd and lascivious. Bitter yes, but I thought Zappa went for more lewd and lascivious as time went on to sell albums. It financed his Classical ambitions. I hadn't thought of that, but you could be right.
  9. Lenny Bruce died when he was 41. Do you think that had anything to do with it? No. Besides, Carlin IMO stopped being funny long before he himself was 41. Larry, With all due respect, I guess it depends on how you define the word "funny". To my way of thinking, "funny" can run the gamut from a pie in the face to what Carlin was during the second phase of his career. I don't think his rant on religion was funny in the classic sense of the term, but it was humorous in its point of view and, to some, insightful. I like The Stooges because they don't make me think. I like Carlin because he does. Both can be amusing in their own way. Up over and out. I concur.
  10. At least the Children's Aid Society has some common sense. Exactly. Which is why they make those determinations, not us. They are the experts on such things. from "This is ridiculous. I can't believe they are basing this on a psychic, and I'm sorry this happened to you." i would not conclude that the cas worker found that the decision had to be delegated to her because only she had the necessary expertise ... In this case, no. But in a larger sense it is a very good thing we have several checks and balances along the way, don't you think?
  11. Um...where are you getting this? I've reread the article several times, and I can't see where you're getting this theory that the teacher didn't know about the psychic. it doesn't say explicitly but even i was pretty certain until now that the teacher, the school board etc didn't know initially what the suspicions were based on (and that their mistake was mainly that they didn't have the standing to stop the whole thing, apologize and admit they had hired a pretty crazy person as an assistant educator for people's children) turned out to be wrong... sorry Not exactly. Scroll back up to my post #104. by now we know the teacher knew about the psychic when he first talked to the mother but we do not know whether he knew about the psychic when he first reported the incident, right? That's my take on the issue.
  12. I seriously, SERIOUSLY doubt that. If that's the case, there are plenty of other ways to make that argument. His response "There you go, now we know" isn't substantial enough to consider it to be referring to law enforcement, IMO. If he had intended to make some sweeping statement about blacks & law enforcement, he knows he would have had to clarify that statement on the spot, to not leave any doubt. That he didn't speaks volumes. Maybe - MAYBE - if he hadn't made previous racist remarks, your argument might have a tiny bit of merit. Good point. Just a hunch, but I also think people are looking for another way to hang him. Not that he doesn't deserve it...Imus is an idiot.
  13. At least the Children's Aid Society has some common sense. Exactly. Which is why they make those determinations, not us. They are the experts on such things. Um...where are you getting this? I've reread the article several times, and I can't see where you're getting this theory that the teacher didn't know about the psychic. it doesn't say explicitly but even i was pretty certain until now that the teacher, the school board etc didn't know initially what the suspicions were based on (and that their mistake was mainly that they didn't have the standing to stop the whole thing, apologize and admit they had hired a pretty crazy person as an assistant educator for people's children) turned out to be wrong... sorry Not exactly. Scroll back up to my post #104.
  14. Again, we don't work for and are not governed by Child Welfare organiztions. We are employees of a school district and their no tolerance policy is what we must adhere to. We can do nothing else and if this Peter Dudding was honest about it, he'd tell you the same thing, I am certain.
  15. This merely echos what I have been saying: "....the case highlights the difficult and sometimes clumsy outcome of zero-tolerance policies and mandatory reporting regulations regarding child sexual abuse." "School staff and administrators have a duty to report, under the Child and Family Services Act when there is suspected abuse and if they believe there is reasonable grounds. However, it is the CAS that weighs any package of evidence and they make the determination whether to proceed with an investigation," said Dr. Zaretsky. What anyone else says about reportable allegations means very little....we teachers don't work for them. We work for the school district. Again, it is the system and the law which governs our response, not the various pundits who have weighed in on this issue in the last article.
  16. Um...where are you getting this? I've reread the article several times, and I can't see where you're getting this theory that the teacher didn't know about the psychic. "an almost unbelievable tale of red tape involving a strange claim from a teaching assistant" "they'd received allegations that Victoria had been the victim of sexual abuse"
  17. And Frank Zappa. Good point. His last couple of albums were just downright lewd and lascivious.
  18. What difference does Pacman's skin color have to do with anything? The fact that Imus asked the rhetorical question, and then responded with "well there you go, now we know" suggests that Jones' skin color is significant to him. This one may blow over, or it may blow up, who knows. But with Imus' track record on race, why did he make this an issue? No difference to me. IMHO, I just think it is a bit pressumptuous to assume he's being racist. Perhaps his "well there you go, now we know" is more of a slap at law enforcement relative to skin color.
  19. I'm not sure how this is a racist comment. All he did was ask what color he was. That's no big thing, is it?
  20. Same thing happened to Mark Twain, too.
  21. All comics are angry to some degree or another, Al. And I disagree he was laughing at his audience. He was laughing at the foibles of all people. That is something all comics have done dating back to before Lenny Bruce. Any joke has a serious side to it.
  22. there is one thing left i do not get... i understand that caution is needed... but then: why did the psychic's word get the teachers started (and not observing the girls sexualized behavior (whatever that means))... alexander and goodspeak: after observing "sexualized behavior", would you have waited with the investigation until one of your assistants got a hint from his or her psychic? With 40 kids in a class? Please. wtf? you say when you observe "sexualized behavior" in a class of 40 kids you can't do anything... investigations will have to wait until some ta went to his or her psychic (and the absence of the psychic let's alexanders story sound a good deal better than the one in the article... i mean - i am not even saying that the teacher should just have forgotten about his ta's psychic's report... that would have been ok with me but say, i also would have found ok (maybe better) some phone call to the mother in the evening "you know, this may sound horrible, and there are hardly any facts behind it, but as it's a serious thing... this crazy person who works with us went to see her psychic..." but this here sounds like a completely crazy reaction - why does the poor women have to leave her job right away... amazing how many issues from this thread appear in this ali g clip Niko, My comment goes to the need for a TA in class so that she might see things the teacher cannot. The whole problem here is the TA stupidly went to a psychic, but the teacher was only told of the abuse allegation. Contacting the mother is CPS protocol. Sadly, the mother was worried sick over a false report. But there again, until we have all the facts of the matter in hand, no one will know for certain. Hence, an investigation must be completed. I think it stinks how this all came about, but the outcome was to be more aware of these types of behaviors and certainly to quiz a TA on where she got her information before launching a full investigation. Alexander is correct that a TA needs to let the teacher know about things like this and to keep a paper trail going in the event something serious does happen. But the bottom line is, with an over burdened public school system mistakes are bound to happen.
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