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as clever as you find yourself to be, im fairly certain my point came across crystal clear

hendrix is okay. are you experienced is pretty good. goddamn i gotta watch my ass with every post i make around here. watch this. 1) radiohead is amazing. 2) Pablo Honey sucks now while pablo honey is a rh album. 1 and 2 are not contradictory ive heard apostrophe and some other one i dont remember. id look but oh yeah, i deleted it cos i dont like it

are you experienced is pretty good. never heard zappa album i enjoyed

Thought you were a poor college student who downloads your music, then picks a handful to purchase legally. Or was that yesterday? you have obviously only been half paying attention or choosing to retain what you like. im not going through this again. if youre that concerned, reread the thread.

oh nice. they do have skillfullness. im gonna snatch it, but im more of a physical album kinda guy. what about seasons? been lookin for that forever. cant find a copy throughout the furthest reaches of the internet. record stores cant order it. hell i cant even find an illegal copy of it and oddly it seems to be his most acclaimed

i suppose you could call em that

yeah, i read that too. they only used a small group of people, didnt account for people who were buying a discbox, and didnt get any information or affirmation from radiohead. ill believe it IF the band ever says anything

i think theyre definitely onto something. a lot of big names are claiming they will follow suit. it could change the way people look at mp3's. who knows. though radiohead is going to offer just a plain jane cd at some point too. im only buying the discbox cos im a fanboy and its limited edition. plus it comes with extra songs!

so youre a member of organissimo? great tunes. i actually did buy your albums from itunes (which i hate doing) but only cos i couldnt find a hard copy elsewhere

i spell fine i type like shit and dont proofread.

You avatar isn't bad either. you a fan? That's a young Trotsky, right? hahaha, hes not that far left. but commie or no, hes a musical genius. along with his homeboy jonny. No question. "Ok Computer" is one of my all time favorite albums. The new album is pretty freakin' amazing, too! hell yeah! jigsaw falling into place rocks my socks im also so pleased to see them make an album that id almost describe as happy. uplifting at least

and guys, just to emphasize to you that i really do supprot musician, as you may know radiohead just cut a new album. theyre offering the download for whatever price you want. pay nothing and its legal. well i did pay nothing for the download, because i want to hear the music asap and mp3s were the only way it was available; still is. however, on dec 3rd, ill have a discbox shipped out to me that i paid $80 for. so i was presented with the opportunity to legally have free music and im still paying for it. a steep price too if i do say so myself.

youre a smart man so its not right

Where does that merchandise end up when your trials are finished? im sure im just some stupid fuck piece of shit kid, but i dont understand your question. Well, I'm reasonalby sure you're not, but can we not go there, please, if the sole reason for this dialogue is to discuss an issue? The point of my question is to point out that in the acvtivites you descrive, you get a trial of the merchandise, and then it returns to its owner. When you file-share/etc (and unless it's a matter of "formal declaration", I think most of us are at least somewhat more tolerant of sharing for the purpose of exposing between true - as opposed to imaginary/virtual - friends than we are purely illegal file-sharing networks), not only do you get a free trial of the product, you get the product itself, and at no charge. Yeah, I know, there's packaging, but isn't packaging getting to be a bit geeky? Not that that's a bad thing, but don't most consumers today reaally just go for the tunes? Now yeah, you do the right thing and you put your money where your...bits are, and kudos to you for that, but a lot of people don't. Or they'll only buy a fraction of what they would if they followed your code as honestly as you do. And that, my friend, does have implications all up and down the musical food chain. Some of these things will get sorted out as people get out of the cloud of the old paradigms, but some things just cannot be overcome. And losing $ w/o finding an alterantive way to compensate is a bitch to beat. Some might call it impossible. youre right. many people just go for the tunes. i am one those geeks though. i like liner notes and lyrics pages and artwork. hell i just being able to hold it in my hand. but honestly, its a tough situation. and i honestly believe that without the internet, these friends of yours' music wouldnt be able to reach near as many people. if it gets to the point that people are losing money, then its a bad thing. and it does happen. take wilco for example. i feel bad for the guys. very popular band that says they cant afford health insurance and they have to sell their tunes to volkswagon. but i dled my first wilco album. i now own three of their albums. im doubt i would have ever given them the chance, given the opinion i had of them before i had heard their music. its a tough situation, and i dont have the answers for how to fix it. it cant be stopped, it cant be policed. but it is exposure, and at the very least exposure sells tickets, if not also albums.

So we are supposed to believe that if you download an album (illegally) and like it, you go out and get it? Which is it? Are you a poor college student (who owns 500 albums) or someone who buys a legitimate copy if he "likes" it after hearing it? Tell the truth: you've downloaded hundreds of albums that you liked and will never ever pay for. Not now, not when you aren't a poor community college student. NEVER. But oh, you bought a Coltrane CD once, so who cares if you have seven other releases for free? You've supported the artist, just not quite as much as some people. ive been buying cds for over 10 years. both are true. i like over 500 albums ( or at least did at some point) but im not going to argue my defense anymore. ill answer civil questions. i actually own 11 coltrane alums of the top of my head. i will list them if you like

exactly it really sucks for struggling musicians. but the honest truth is, if someone isnt going to buy your music, theyre just not going to. so you can let it slide and hope the exposure works for the best or you can try t work around it. honestly, i subscribe to the theory "no press is bad press." but i wouldnt judge someone for not wanting someone stealing their music

You have a lot to learn about strategy, not the least of which is to never fire all six cylinders when only one - or none, even - will do. A man who comes off like he enjoys being a target will sure as hell become one. Just some friendly advice. Take it or leave it. good post ill take it

Where does that merchandise end up when your trials are finished? im sure im just some stupid fuck piece of shit kid, but i dont understand your question.

Test driving cars is a legal activity. Listening to music in a record store is a legal activity. Show me how illegal downloading is legal. oh, so its wrong because its illegal. i see

my tough ass attitude only came into play after i was mauled by these pit bulls. you guys never gave me a chance to see any other point of view

Suddenly your illegal activity seems ok to me now! I've SEEN THE LIGHT! Thank you. I am now going to start stealing cars. When I find the one I truly like, I'll pay for it. But not the others. dont you test drive cars before you buy them? or do you just look at the outside and go at it? is it illegal for me to walk into a record store and listen to an album before i buy it?

Being "stoked" doesn't put meat and potatoes on the table for the musician's family like paying for legitimate copies of the music does. Working musicians aren't millionaires. i like how you omitted the second part of my post about how ive spent $10,000 supporting musicians I was replying to the first part. The second part is not relevant to my point. However - if you've spent $10,000 supporting musicians, but own $50,000 worth of musicians, you've hurt them to the tune of $40,000. The size of your legitimate collection isn't an issue. It's the size of your illegitimate collection. i agree. this is how i roll if im not familiar with an artist, 1. i download their music 2. if i enjoy it, i will, to the best of my ability, purchase it 3. if i dislike it, i delete it. if i am familiar with an artist, i will likely just go out and buy it. i mean you cant go wrong with another coltrane or fela album, right? i dont like it when people steal from artist anymore than you guys. but i dont have the funds to purchase the album of every artist that is recommended to me. if i like it i will buy it. there are obvious exceptions. ive never been able to find a decent silva album anywhere, etc. but if alan silva was that worried about making money, dont you think hed continue printing his albums?

Being "stoked" doesn't put meat and potatoes on the table for the musician's family like paying for legitimate copies of the music does. Working musicians aren't millionaires. i like how you omitted the second part of my post about how ive spent $10,000 supporting musicians

When I was a poor college student, I still didn't rip people off. Precisely! When I was a poor college student, I listened to the radio if I couldn't afford something I wanted. Hell, I'd set up my boom box with a blank cassette to try and catch whatever song it was that I fancied. That's how you got "free" music. Not anymore. What this shit-for-brains can't figure out is that there won't be any music to purchase by the time him and his generation are through fucking over musicians. I second Chuck's suggestion that he leave. thats stealing too radio plays shit. to quote thom yorke "the internet is the new radio. theres all kinds of music playing out there. you just have to find it."

and honestly (not to use this as an excuse) id be stoked just that people want to hear my music. that said, i own over 500 albums