George Freeman/Charles Earland LP

[Soul Stream]

Wondered if anybody had this LP. "George Freeman Live w/Charles Earland Sitting In" on the (I beleive) Giant Step label. Would anybody be interested in burning this for me, or selling me an LP of this? Really interested in hearing this early Earland stuff as I love "Boss Organ" his first on the Choice label.

Thanks for any help. Mike

Edited December 23, 2004 by Soul Stream

[Dan Gould]

Mike,

You're in luck. I actually posted about this album in this George Freeman thread.:

http://www.organissimo.org/forum/index.php...=george+freeman

You still on Mistywood Drive? I'll send a burn to you sometime next week.

[Soul Stream]

Mike,

You're in luck. I actually posted about this album in this George Freeman thread.:

http://www.organissimo.org/forum/index.php...=george+freeman

You still on Mistywood Drive? I'll send a burn to you sometime next week.

Thank God for Dan!!!!! You're my hero! Still live at the same address too. Wow. Can't wait to hear this one, I'm about to read that thread.... I bid on this on Ebay today and it ended up going for 64 dollars!!!! Thanks again Dan.

[Soul Stream]

Man...I forgot all about that thread. Much less posting on it! I have known about the existence of that one for a while and have always wanted it, but until really listening a lot to "Boss Organ" lately wasn't as fired up. But I am now!!! Something about early Earland that packs a LOT of punch.

[Bright Moments]

this is why the organissimo community is so GREAT!!!!!

[Dan Gould]

this is why the organissimo community is so GREAT!!!!!

That and the fact that Mike could post about this super rare LP and in 12 minutes, someone steps up with an offer. Bet he didn't think it would happen that quick!

[Soul Stream]

this is why the organissimo community is so GREAT!!!!!

That and the fact that Mike could post about this super rare LP and in 12 minutes, someone steps up with an offer. Bet he didn't think it would happen that quick!

Damn right!!!! Organissimo has really GREAT customer service!

P.S....anything I can do for you Dan???

[Jim Alfredson]

Hey Dan.... can you burn two? I'd love to hear this!

[Jim Alfredson]

Well, I guess I could spend $60+ on a vinyl copy on eBay. And exactly how much of whatever the final bid goes for will Mr. Freeman see?

[Chuck Nessa]

Well, I guess I will delete my message about sending George money fo' yo' pleasure.

[Soul Stream]

Love to see this reissued on CD. Don't know who owns the rights to the Giant Steps stuff, but maybe George could shed some light if anybody knows him. Love to be paying George instead of the guy selling mint copies on EBAY.

[Chuck Nessa]

I will respond to anyone wanting George's address.

[Dan Gould]

P.S....anything I can do for you Dan???

Hey Dan.... can you burn two? I'd love to hear this!

In the spirit of the holidays, done and done.

Guess I get to be a not-so-secret Santa, after all.

[Chuck Nessa]

Here is the POINT!

Anyone wanting/needing this date has at least 100 other (in print) dates they want/need. Until there is nothing else they "want", either "fuck you" or pay George.

[Dan Gould]

Here is the POINT!

Anyone wanting/needing this date has at least 100 other (in print) dates they want/need. Until there is nothing else they "want", either "fuck you" or pay George.

Hey Nessa, does GEORGE own the recording? Is he selling it?

If not, FUCK OFF!!!

[Jim Alfredson]

I understand your point Chuck, but it's not my fault George made a record on a label that doesn't exist anymore. It's also doubtful it will ever be re-issued. So either I can buy a copy from a used dealer, whereupon George still doesn't get a penny, or I can get a copy from Dan so I can at least hear the record.

If it was on CD, I'd buy it. But maybe I'd buy it used. In which case George still wouldn't see any money.

This touches on one of the things that no one inside the music industry likes to talk about. They like to blame downloading for the recent decline in CD sales but what about used CD shops? Personally, I buy a lot of "new" releases from my local used CD store simply because they have a better selection of discs than any other place in Lansing (since Tower Records came in and put all the mom & pop record stores out of business... and then went out of business itself).

[Chuck Nessa]

Here is the POINT!

Anyone wanting/needing this date has at least 100 other (in print) dates they want/need. Until there is nothing else they "want", either "fuck you" or pay George.

Hey Nessa, does GEORGE own the recording? Is he selling it?

If not, FUCK OFF!!!

I'll be polite. George does not own the master but does have an interest in the commercial exploitation of same. Artist royalty and composer royalites are due him. Do you know what these amounts are?

[etherbored]

Anyone wanting/needing this date has at least 100 other (in print) dates they want/need. Until there is nothing else they "want", either "fuck you" or pay George.

i've read this whopper of a run-on at least six times and *still* can't make any sense of it...

[Dan Gould]

Here is the POINT!

Anyone wanting/needing this date has at least 100 other (in print) dates they want/need. Until there is nothing else they "want", either "fuck you" or pay George.

Hey Nessa, does GEORGE own the recording? Is he selling it?

If not, FUCK OFF!!!

I'll be polite. George does not own the master but does have an interest in the commercial exploitation of same. Artist royalty and composer royalites are due him. Do you know what these amounts are?

Where's the "commercial exploitation" you holier-than-thou, sanctimonious, jackass?

(I'm NOT being polite).

I am not SELLING anything. Royalties get paid on SALES.

[Jim Alfredson]

With all due respect, this is much ado about nothing.

[Jim Alfredson]

By the way, if he's not wearing this get-up on the cover, I don't want a copy....

[Chuck Nessa]

I understand your point Chuck, but it's not my fault George made a record on a label that doesn't exist anymore. It's also doubtful it will ever be re-issued. So either I can buy a copy from a used dealer, whereupon George still doesn't get a penny, or I can get a copy from Dan so I can at least hear the record.

If it was on CD, I'd buy it. But maybe I'd buy it used. In which case George still wouldn't see any money.

This touches on one of the things that no one inside the music industry likes to talk about. They like to blame downloading for the recent decline in CD sales but what about used CD shops? Personally, I buy a lot of "new" releases from my local used CD store simply because they have a better selection of discs than any other place in Lansing (since Tower Records came in and put all the mom & pop record stores out of business... and then went out of business itself).

Jim, I don't have the time or energy to deal with all the implications of your message, but don't think you really .......... never mind.

I make a conscious decision where to buy cds. I rarely buy used. I buy from the artist or label when possible. I buy from stores with the proper inventory, etc.

Why should George Freeman lose income 'cause the label he recorded for didn't issue it on cd (yet)?

Maybe the above attitude is why I'm broke - but I hope to die with a look of satisfaction on my face.

[Chuck Nessa]

With all due respect, this is much ado about nothing.

This has EVERYTHING TO DO ABOUT EVERYTHING.

[Dan Gould]

Why should George Freeman lose income 'cause the label he recorded for didn't issue it on cd (yet)?

Maybe the above attitude is why I'm broke - but I hope to die with a look of satisfaction on my face.

This is where you have no fucking clue.

Try and grasp this:

GEORGE HASN'T "LOST" ANY INCOME.

[Jim Alfredson]

Chuck, I'll admit I don't understand the full situation, if that's what you're saying. But I'm looking at things from a different perspective. I grew up with the ability to make a copy of anything I want. Back when I was a kid, I dubbed my father's record collection and my older sister's tape collection to tape. When my sister got her first CD player and started building a CD collection, I dubbed those too. Of course, I was 14 or 15 and didn't have any money.

Right now I can dub LPs to CD, I can digitally copy CDs, I can even digitally copy dual-layer DVD movies (ie, general standard release movies that you can rent at a video store) if I want (I don't.) I can copy games for the xbox. I can basically copy anything. It doesn't mean that I do, but I can.

I own over 2500 CDs and about 500 vinyl. Almost all of my vinyl I bought used which means the artists aren't getting anything. Most of that vinyl is stuff that is not on CD. If it is on CD, I probably have the CD as well.

As a musician, who releases his own products, I long ago realized that I'm not going to make any money on album sales. There are just too many ways for people to get it for nothing. Technology has advanced to the point where you can copy and distribute anything. And there's nothing I can do about it.

My goal with our first record was to break even. And we've almost done that. That's about all I can ask for. I expect to make my living playing music, not recording it.

While I feel for George and I do hope he's able to get the masters, and I also hope this record eventually gets released on CD (and I'll probably buy it), railing against people who buy used LPs seems kind of pointless. It's the way our whole economy works. I buy used cars, I buy used books, I buy used CDs, I buy used audio equipment, I'm typing this on a used laptop I bought, etc. etc. The only thing I don't buy used are clothes and food! And in all those situations, it's the re-seller that's making the money, not the original manufacturer/author/artist/etc.