Prestige 45 rpm inquiry

[chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez]

PR 45-315 The Prestige All Stars - The Believer c/w Dakar

John Coltrane (ts) Pepper Adams, Cecil Payne (bars) Mal Waldron (p) Doug Watkins (b) Art Taylor (d)

Rudy Van Gelder Studio, Hackensack, NJ, April 20, 1957

1208 Dakar Donald Byrd (tp) John Coltrane (ts) Red Garland (p) Paul Chambers (b) Louis Hayes (d)

Rudy Van Gelder Studio, Hackensack, NJ, January 10, 19581435 The Believer

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now, this is clearly 60s, however isnt it so that Dakar/Believer albums, werent ISSUED till the 60s?? Does anyone know the exact years of the Presige 300 45 series? oh, and my copy: clearly has John Coltrane as the lader (and in pareentheess donald byrd on tpt on one side) so yea i just spent 10 bucks on this, but my rationale was, i dont have a lot of coltrane on 45....

Edited March 8, 2009 by chewy

[chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez]

on side 2, is it cecil payne or pepper adams on the 1st solo, i say cecil...

ok trane hasnt soloed at all one side 1, it was all Donald Byrd (what a pleasant suprise! lol)

side 2 , trane gets some after the bari solo

so this is def. mono, rigfgt?

[Shrdlu]

I think all 45s were mono only, but the 1958 session was recorded in stereo and is stereo on the CDs.

They used to shorten a lot of tracks when they put them onto 45s, so even though I could tell you which baritone player plays when on the full version, I would have to hear the 45 to see which solo they left in - if there's only one. Fortunately, Pepper Adams has an unmistakeable sound.

Why not just settle for the full versions (and full sessions) on the CDs?

I do have one indespensible 45. It has two tracks from a 1964 Impulse session led by J J Johnson, with Toots Thielmans, McCoy Tyner, Richard Davis and Elvin Jones. The third track from the session was included on the "Proof Positive" album, and so it survives, but the other two tracks were only issued on a 45. As the session reels for most Impulse sessions were destroyed during the 70s, this rare 45 is the only way to get those two pieces. When Michael Cuscuna was reissuing "Proof Positive" on CD, they were unable to find a copy of this 45. Maybe, one day, Universal will get civilised and a reissue of the CD can be made, including the two 45 tracks.

[mikeweil]

I do have one indespensible 45. It has two tracks from a 1964 Impulse session led by J J Johnson, with Toots Thielmans, McCoy Tyner, Richard Davis and Elvin Jones. The third track from the session was included on the "Proof Positive" album, and so it survives, but the other two tracks were only issued on a 45. As the session reels for most Impulse sessions were destroyed during the 70s, this rare 45 is the only way to get those two pieces. When Michael Cuscuna was reissuing "Proof Positive" on CD, they were unable to find a copy of this 45. Maybe, one day, Universal will get civilised and a reissue of the CD can be made, including the two 45 tracks.

Send an e-mail to Mosaic offering to lend your 45 - since the Impulse CD is OOP, they may reissue this as a Mosaic Single.

[mikeweil]

There is a handful of tracks on any label form the 1950's that were issued on 45s but never included on an LP or CD reissue. I once got me a Don Patterson Prestige 45 for that reason. "People" was faded out however, suggesting there was a longer version performed ...

There were two Cal Tjader tracks only on Fantasy 45's - so far I have hunted down one of them, a studio version of Afro Blue that never was reissued so far! The other one, a ballad with Chombo Silva, seems to be mega-rare!