riverrat Posted May 15, 2009 Report Posted May 15, 2009 I posed this question elsewhere, buried in the thread w/o response so trying again here... Is this series based on new remasters, or older remasters that are simply being reissued with different catalog numbers? I think the latter is more likely. Can anyone provide details? e.g.: TOCJ 8501 Coltrane,John(ts)/Blue Train 1100 TOCJ 8502 Adderley,Cannonball(as)/Somethin' Else 1100 TOCJ 8503 Clark,Sonny(p)/Cool Struttin' 1100 TOCJ 8504 Blakey,Art(ds)/And The Jazz Messengers(Moanin') 1100 etc etc Quote
kinuta Posted May 15, 2009 Report Posted May 15, 2009 (edited) I posed this question elsewhere, buried in the thread w/o response so trying again here... Is this series based on new remasters, or older remasters that are simply being reissued with different catalog numbers? I think the latter is more likely. Can anyone provide details? e.g.: TOCJ 8501 Coltrane,John(ts)/Blue Train 1100 TOCJ 8502 Adderley,Cannonball(as)/Somethin' Else 1100 TOCJ 8503 Clark,Sonny(p)/Cool Struttin' 1100 TOCJ 8504 Blakey,Art(ds)/And The Jazz Messengers(Moanin') 1100 etc etc I've read the advertisement in Japanese and it makes no mention of whether they are reissues of the Blue Note Works TOCJ series or of the RVG series. I suspect the former. I seriously doubt they will be new remasters - the main selling point seems to be the newly reduced budget prices - enough is surely enough, even for BN Japan ! They add that more information will be forthcoming. If you would like to post links for any forthcoming additional release information, I'll happily read it and report. Edited May 15, 2009 by kinuta Quote
riverrat Posted May 15, 2009 Author Report Posted May 15, 2009 (edited) Thank you kinuta. I was curious if the Works TOCJ series would be reissued yet again, given its enduring popularity. That would make sense. The lower prices are nice. Here's a list of upcoming TOCJ 8XXX releases that originated from Hiroshi Tanno, copied from the other thread: TOCJ 8501 Coltrane,John(ts)/Blue Train 1100 TOCJ 8502 Adderley,Cannonball(as)/Somethin' Else 1100 TOCJ 8503 Clark,Sonny(p)/Cool Struttin' 1100 TOCJ 8504 Blakey,Art(ds)/And The Jazz Messengers(Moanin') 1100 TOCJ 8505 Hancock,Herbie(p)/Maiden Voyage 1100 TOCJ 8506 Rollins,Sonny(ts)/A Night At The Village Vanguard 1100 TOCJ 8507 Dolphy,Eric(as)/Out To Lunch 1100 TOCJ 8508 Morgan,Lee(tp)/Candy 1100 TOCJ 8509 Mobley,Hank(ts)/Soul Station 1100 TOCJ 8510 Blakey,Art(ds)/A Night At The Birdland Vol.1 1100 TOCJ 8511 Morgan,Lee(tp)/The Sidewinder 1100 TOCJ 8512 Powell,Bud(p)/The Scene Changes 1100 TOCJ 8513 Powell,Bud(p)/The Amzing Vol.1 1100 TOCJ 8514 Blakey,Art(ds)/A Night In Tunisia 1100 TOCJ 8515 Burrell,Kenny(g)/Midnight Blue 1100 TOCJ 8516 Shorter,Wayne(ts)/Speak No Evil 1100 TOCJ 8517 Hancock,Herbie(p)/Empyrean Isles 1100 TOCJ 8518 Hutcherson,Bobby(vib)/Happenings 1100 TOCJ 8519 Hancock,Herbie(p)/Speak Like A Child 1100 TOCJ 8520 Gordon,Dexter(ts)/Gettin' Around 1100 TOCJ 8521 Blakey,Art(ds)/Mosaic 1100 TOCJ 8522 Byrd,Donald(tp)/Fuego 1100 TOCJ 8523 Parlan,Horace(p)/Us Three 1100 TOCJ 8524 Coleman,Ornette(as)/At The Golden Circle Vol.1 1100 TOCJ 8525 Silver,Horace(p)/Blowin' The Blues Away 1100 TOCJ 8526 Mobley,Hank(ts)/Dippin' 1100 TOCJ 8527 Silver,Horace(p)/Song For My Father 1100 TOCJ 8528 McLean,Jackie(as)/Demon's Dance 1100 TOCJ 8529 Rollins,Sonny(ts)/Newk's Time 1100 TOCJ 8530 Rollins,Sonny(ts)/Vol.2 1100 TOCJ 8531 Turrentine,Stanley(ts)/Blue Hour 1100 TOCJ 8532 Brooks,Tina(ts)/True Blue 1100 TOCJ 8533 Morgan,Lee(tp)/Vol.3 1100 TOCJ 8534 Mobley,Hank(ts)/Roll Call 1100 TOCJ 8535 McLean,Jackie(as)/Swing,Swang,Swingin' 1100 TOCJ 8536 Jordan,Duke(p)/Flight To Jordan 1100 TOCJ 8537 Dorham,Kenny(tp)/At The Cafe Bohemia 1100 TOCJ 8538 Gordon,Dexter(ts)/Go 1100 TOCJ 8539 Blakey,Art(ds)/A Night At The Birdland Vol.2 1100 TOCJ 8540 Brown,Clifford(tp)/Memorial Album 1100 TOCJ 8541 Chambers,Paul(b)/Bass On Top 1100 TOCJ 8542 Dorham,Kenny(tp)/Afro Cuban 1100 TOCJ 8543 McLean,Jackie(as)/Let Freedom Ring 1100 TOCJ 8544 Griffin,Johnny(ts)/Introducing 1100 TOCJ 8545 Hancock,Herbie(p)/Takin' Off 1100 TOCJ 8546 Hipp,Jutta(p)/At The Hickory House Vol.1 1100 TOCJ 8547 Smith,Jimmy(or)/Midnight Special 1100 TOCJ 8548 Pearson,Duke(p)/Sweet Honey Bee 1100 TOCJ 8549 Silver,Horace(p)/Horace-Scope 1100 TOCJ 8550 Gordon,Dexter(ts)/Dexter Calling 1100 Edited May 15, 2009 by riverrat Quote
Shrdlu Posted May 16, 2009 Report Posted May 16, 2009 It will be wonderful if these are the "BN Works" CDs. Far and away the best BN CD reissues (though some of the JRVGs sound great too). Many people will have missed them, and they are hard to find anymore. I missed a few, but none on those lists. Quote
riverrat Posted May 17, 2009 Author Report Posted May 17, 2009 ...though some of the JRVGs sound great too... Shrdlu would you care to comment on which JRVGs you like? I am preparing to unload some of mine, but I have not had the chance to compare many of them to other remasters. And I don't have my main system set up right now; after moving to a smaller house. Your input would be appreciated! FWIW, I have in my notes from old BNBB posts that the first 250+ JRVGs are much narrower stereo than RVGs of the same titles. But starting somewhere around June of 2003, JRVGs and domestic RVGs were made from the same remaster... Quote
Bluesnik Posted May 17, 2009 Report Posted May 17, 2009 this is a nice 1000 yen series. but i couldn't say if they are BN Works or JRVGs. it looks like the last... Quote
Son-of-a-Weizen Posted May 17, 2009 Report Posted May 17, 2009 This is just the first batch of 50 titles with another 100 to follow. Based on the fact that they are being released in this sequence (looks like it's tied to overall popularity), I can't imagine it could be another 'Works' 20-bit run. If it were, you'd think they'd be releasing them in the same sequence as before...starting with Miles, Vol. 1, Vol 2, JJ Johnson, Bud Powell, etc.... right? TOCJ 8501 Coltrane,John(ts)/Blue Train 1100 TOCJ 8502 Adderley,Cannonball(as)/Somethin' Else 1100 TOCJ 8503 Clark,Sonny(p)/Cool Struttin' 1100 TOCJ 8504 Blakey,Art(ds)/And The Jazz Messengers(Moanin') 1100 TOCJ 8505 Hancock,Herbie(p)/Maiden Voyage 1100 TOCJ 8506 Rollins,Sonny(ts)/A Night At The Village Vanguard 1100 TOCJ 8507 Dolphy,Eric(as)/Out To Lunch 1100 TOCJ 8508 Morgan,Lee(tp)/Candy 1100 TOCJ 8509 Mobley,Hank(ts)/Soul Station 1100 TOCJ 8510 Blakey,Art(ds)/A Night At The Birdland Vol.1 1100 TOCJ 8511 Morgan,Lee(tp)/The Sidewinder 1100 Quote
J.A.W. Posted May 17, 2009 Report Posted May 17, 2009 (edited) This is just the first batch of 50 titles with another 100 to follow. Based on the fact that they are being released in this sequence (looks like it's tied to overall popularity), I can't imagine it could be another 'Works' 20-bit run. If it were, you'd think they'd be releasing them in the same sequence as before...starting with Miles, Vol. 1, Vol 2, JJ Johnson, Bud Powell, etc.... right? TOCJ 8501 Coltrane,John(ts)/Blue Train 1100 TOCJ 8502 Adderley,Cannonball(as)/Somethin' Else 1100 TOCJ 8503 Clark,Sonny(p)/Cool Struttin' 1100 TOCJ 8504 Blakey,Art(ds)/And The Jazz Messengers(Moanin') 1100 TOCJ 8505 Hancock,Herbie(p)/Maiden Voyage 1100 TOCJ 8506 Rollins,Sonny(ts)/A Night At The Village Vanguard 1100 TOCJ 8507 Dolphy,Eric(as)/Out To Lunch 1100 TOCJ 8508 Morgan,Lee(tp)/Candy 1100 TOCJ 8509 Mobley,Hank(ts)/Soul Station 1100 TOCJ 8510 Blakey,Art(ds)/A Night At The Birdland Vol.1 1100 TOCJ 8511 Morgan,Lee(tp)/The Sidewinder 1100 The "Blue Note Works" series has been reissued a few times in the 1990s and the reissues all used the same TOCJ-15XX, TOCJ-16XX and TOCJ-4XXX catalogue numbers, which leads me to believe that these are not "BN Works" reissues. I wouldn't be surprised if those TOCJ-85XX releases are reissues of the cheap "TOCJ24" Blue Notes with catalogue numbers TOCJ-6XXX that were released in the early 2000s. I picked up several of those, but decided to ditch them after a few listening sessions because I didn't like the sound. Edited May 17, 2009 by J.A.W. Quote
Son-of-a-Weizen Posted May 17, 2009 Report Posted May 17, 2009 This is just the first batch of 50 titles with another 100 to follow. Based on the fact that they are being released in this sequence (looks like it's tied to overall popularity), I can't imagine it could be another 'Works' 20-bit run. If it were, you'd think they'd be releasing them in the same sequence as before...starting with Miles, Vol. 1, Vol 2, JJ Johnson, Bud Powell, etc.... right? TOCJ 8501 Coltrane,John(ts)/Blue Train 1100 TOCJ 8502 Adderley,Cannonball(as)/Somethin' Else 1100 TOCJ 8503 Clark,Sonny(p)/Cool Struttin' 1100 TOCJ 8504 Blakey,Art(ds)/And The Jazz Messengers(Moanin') 1100 TOCJ 8505 Hancock,Herbie(p)/Maiden Voyage 1100 TOCJ 8506 Rollins,Sonny(ts)/A Night At The Village Vanguard 1100 TOCJ 8507 Dolphy,Eric(as)/Out To Lunch 1100 TOCJ 8508 Morgan,Lee(tp)/Candy 1100 TOCJ 8509 Mobley,Hank(ts)/Soul Station 1100 TOCJ 8510 Blakey,Art(ds)/A Night At The Birdland Vol.1 1100 TOCJ 8511 Morgan,Lee(tp)/The Sidewinder 1100 The "Blue Note Works" series has been reissued a few times in the 1990s and the reissues all used the same TOCJ-15XX, TOCJ-16XX and TOCJ-4XXX catalogue numbers, which leads me to believe that these are not "BN Works" reissues. I wouldn't be surprised if those TOCJ-85XX releases are reissues of the cheap "TOCJ24" Blue Notes with catalogue numbers TOCJ-6XXX that were released in the early 2000s. I picked up several of those, but decided to ditch them after a few listening sessions because I didn't like the sound. Right, that's what I was getting at (though not too clearly). If this was a 'Works' re-issue, Miles Davis Vol. 1 would be the first one to hit the shelves....not Coltrane. I agree w/you....this must be those other ones. Quote
kinuta Posted May 18, 2009 Report Posted May 18, 2009 The titles were selected by a poll which I think was conducted by Swing Journal. Readers were asked which titles they would most like to see reissued. That's why the reissues are not starting with Miles Vol 1. Quote
Son-of-a-Weizen Posted May 18, 2009 Report Posted May 18, 2009 The titles were selected by a poll which I think was conducted by Swing Journal. Readers were asked which titles they would most like to see reissued. That's why the reissues are not starting with Miles Vol 1. Too bad you didn't give us a heads-up on this. We could have at least made an effort to kidnap the SJ mailroom staff and infiltrate in one of our own to shuffle those votes around a little bit....maybe sneak Tippin' the Scales and some other goodies in there? Quote
David Ayers Posted May 19, 2009 Report Posted May 19, 2009 The esteemed readers of Swing Journal need to get out more, IMO. Quote
kinuta Posted May 19, 2009 Report Posted May 19, 2009 (edited) I went back and reread the original release information. Swing Journal is not guilty. EMI Japan had a website called Sound Town Jazz, which conducted a survey to select ' My best three BN', from which a magazine 'BN 100 Best' was compiled and this has been used as the basis for the new series releases. It sounds like a lot of nonsense to me, they just want a publicity gimmick to go with the low price reissues. Personally I couldn't care less, I got most. if not all of the BN Works ages ago. As soon as I confirm if they are BN Works reissues or the over rated RVG's I'll let you know. For anyone who is interested - http://www.emimusic.jp/jazz/bluenotebestmore/ Edited May 19, 2009 by kinuta Quote
Shrdlu Posted May 29, 2009 Report Posted May 29, 2009 ...though some of the JRVGs sound great too... Shrdlu would you care to comment on which JRVGs you like? I am preparing to unload some of mine, but I have not had the chance to compare many of them to other remasters. And I don't have my main system set up right now; after moving to a smaller house. Your input would be appreciated! FWIW, I have in my notes from old BNBB posts that the first 250+ JRVGs are much narrower stereo than RVGs of the same titles. But starting somewhere around June of 2003, JRVGs and domestic RVGs were made from the same remaster... I don't have time right now to sift through all the ones I have, but I do recall liking Tony Williams "Spring", Don Wilkerson's "Preach Brother", Sonny Clark "Leapin' And Lopin'", Kenny Dorham "Whistle Stop", Kenny Dorham "Trompeta Toccata", Herbie Hancock "Speak Like A Child", Jackie McLean "New Soil", Hank Mobley "Roll Call" and "Workout", Lee Morgan "Delightfulee", Horace Silver "Finger Poppin'", and Jimmy Smith "Back At The Chicken Shack". Hope that helps. Quote
riverrat Posted May 30, 2009 Author Report Posted May 30, 2009 ...Hope that helps... It does, very much so, thanks!! Quote
riverrat Posted July 27, 2009 Author Report Posted July 27, 2009 (edited) Soooo....has anyone out there heard any of these TOCJ-8XXX CDs? They've been on the street for a few weeks now. Has anyone learned what remaster was used or if they are new remasters? Edited July 27, 2009 by riverrat Quote
J.A.W. Posted July 27, 2009 Report Posted July 27, 2009 (edited) Soooo....has anyone out there heard any of these TOCJ-8XXX CDs? They've been on the street for a few weeks now. Has anyone learned what remaster was used or if they are new remasters? I understand that the remasters from the early 2000s were used, the ones that were done for the TOCJ-6XXX series that came out in those years. They were called "TOCJ24s" on this forum. (edit) Just found this post on the Hoffman forum. This gentleman from Japan wasn't very pleased when he learned whose masterings were used. Edited July 27, 2009 by J.A.W. Quote
Son-of-a-Weizen Posted July 27, 2009 Report Posted July 27, 2009 They were called "TOCJ24s" on this forum. Hey, some of those sonic 'masterpieces' command big bucks these days!!! http://cgi.ebay.com/CLIFFORD-JORDAN-CLIFF-...id=p3286.c0.m14 Quote
riverrat Posted July 27, 2009 Author Report Posted July 27, 2009 Wow. Is it a sign of the times that it is now a selling point that your Japan import Blue Note CD is NOT a mini-lp? They were called "TOCJ24s" on this forum. Hey, some of those sonic 'masterpieces' command big bucks these days!!! http://cgi.ebay.com/CLIFFORD-JORDAN-CLIFF-...id=p3286.c0.m14 Soooo....has anyone out there heard any of these TOCJ-8XXX CDs? They've been on the street for a few weeks now. Has anyone learned what remaster was used or if they are new remasters? I understand that the remasters from the early 2000s were used, the ones that were done for the TOCJ-6XXX series that came out in those years. They were called "TOCJ24s" on this forum. (edit) Just found this post on the Hoffman forum. This gentleman from Japan wasn't very pleased when he learned whose masterings were used. Well that seems to settle it. No big surprise. Quote
J.A.W. Posted July 27, 2009 Report Posted July 27, 2009 (edited) I think it's keyword spamming, people searching eBay for "mini LP" will see this one Wow. Is it a sign of the times that it is now a selling point that your Japan import Blue Note CD is NOT a mini-lp? They were called "TOCJ24s" on this forum. Hey, some of those sonic 'masterpieces' command big bucks these days!!! http://cgi.ebay.com/CLIFFORD-JORDAN-CLIFF-...id=p3286.c0.m14 Edited July 27, 2009 by J.A.W. Quote
Son-of-a-Weizen Posted July 27, 2009 Report Posted July 27, 2009 I have a sealed mini-lp. Maybe I'll follow that seller's lead on the keyword spam front and describe it as: CLIFFORD JORDAN CLIFF JORDAN CD *NEW* JAPAN W/OBI Extremely Rare & Out Of Print Japanese Mini LP CD. Not that crappy, tinny sounding TOCJ24 abomination. Item condition: Brand new Time left: 16 days 8 hours (Aug 12, 200918:52:12 PDT)[Refresh] Price: US $250.00 Buy It Now Quote
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