TOOL FANS:

[JSngry]

http://www.36crazyfists.com/forum/topic.as...Random+Bullshit

I mean, does all this really work?

[vibes]

I have the CD but am too lazy to go to the trouble of playing with it to see if it works. Regardless of whether or not it does work, "Lateralus" is an excellent album. Tool's music can be challenging to listen to at first, but repeated listens are extremely rewarding. I've listened to this CD dozens of times in the last few months. Definitely one of the best rock releases in the last decade.

[GregK]

I have the CD but am too lazy to go to the trouble of playing with it to see if it works. Regardless of whether or not it does work, "Lateralus" is an excellent album. Tool's music can be challenging to listen to at first, but repeated listens are extremely rewarding. I've listened to this CD dozens of times in the last few months. Definitely one of the best rock releases in the last decade.

I find a very strong King Crimson influence in this album, most noticeably in the drums and some of the guitar tones

[vibes]

I have the CD but am too lazy to go to the trouble of playing with it to see if it works.  Regardless of whether or not it does work, "Lateralus" is an excellent album.  Tool's music can be challenging to listen to at first, but repeated listens are extremely rewarding.  I've listened to this CD dozens of times in the last few months.  Definitely one of the best rock releases in the last decade.

I find a very strong King Crimson influence in this album, most noticeably in the drums and some of the guitar tones

I've heard a lot of these references to King Crimson. I guess I should go check them out, since I've never heard any of their music before.

[GregK]

I have the CD but am too lazy to go to the trouble of playing with it to see if it works.  Regardless of whether or not it does work, "Lateralus" is an excellent album.  Tool's music can be challenging to listen to at first, but repeated listens are extremely rewarding.  I've listened to this CD dozens of times in the last few months.  Definitely one of the best rock releases in the last decade.

I find a very strong King Crimson influence in this album, most noticeably in the drums and some of the guitar tones

I've heard a lot of these references to King Crimson. I guess I should go check them out, since I've never heard any of their music before.

they are an interesting and always changing band, with lineup changes every few years and with that usually a drastic change in sound. The Tool references are, to me at least, from the 73-74 edition of the band, with Bruford on drums and John Wetton bass and singing; I hear a lot of similarities in the guitar tones and some of the phrasing with this edition of the band, and some of the drumming reminds me of the mid-90s "double-trio" edition of the band. Check out the live The Nightwatch (the Wetton 70s edition) and THRAK from the mid-90s to hear what I'm talking about. None of this is to say Tool isn't original. What I hear is Crimson filtered through Tool but never obviously. I'm dying to hear some of the live tapes from their tour in 2001, where Fripp sat in with them

[JSngry]

No comments on the whole Fibonacci sequence thing? Sounds interesting if true, but you know how some things take on a life of their own not based in reality.

[Brandon Burke]

I hate to be a stick-in-the-mud but I have a really hard time with these guys. Funny because I rather like King Crimson and specifically the era indicated above (Red, Larks Tounge in Aspic, etc). Come to think of it, those are the only two King Crimson records I like...... Anyways, Tool seems to be going for a dark and brooding "insane asylum" aesthetic that doesn't affect me the way I think it's supposed to. The whole thing seems kind of silly and gives me the impression that they take themselves reeeeally seriously.

This is to take nothing away from their competence as musicians, mind you.

Edited January 26, 2004 by Brandon Burke

[John B]

No comments on the whole Fibonacci sequence thing? Sounds interesting if true, but you know how some things take on a life of their own not based in reality.

The premise sounds a bit far-fetched to me. I have a difficult time believing that Tool went through all of that trouble in addition to writing and recording the albu and going through a protracted legal battle with their label. IMO, if you hear it, it is true. Doesn't it all come down to your own personal experience / interpretation of the album in the end?

That being said, I'll program the tracks in the order the author of the article recommends and see if it flows any better that the album sequence.

[Guest ariceffron]

and genesis too. particularly select parts of 'suppers ready" (later parts) and the lamb.

[Muskrat Ramble]

Well, examining music in mathematical terms, composing on mathematical principles, and/or using numerological symbolism in music goes back millenia, at least to Pythagoras. Music used to be taught in the Middle Ages as part of the "Quadrivium" together with arithmetic, geometry, and astronomy. These were seen as interconnected bodies of theory and knowledge. (The related "Trivium" consisted of grammar, logic, and rhetoric.)

Today there's actually a genre known as "math rock," where tunes shift through or superimpose time signatures (hemiola, I suppose) according to mathematical formulae. Bands like Mudvayne, Meshuggah, Tool, etc. get lumped into this category, rightly or wrongly.

[danasgoodstuff]

I'm so disappointed...I thought this was going to show me a new way to keep my tool from overheating!