PALM 21 "The Meeting Time" Bobby Jaspar / Byard Lancaster – from Anthology Jef Gilson 1945/1975

[l p]

the last volume of this release (palm 21)

https://www.discogs.com/Jef-Gilson-Anthology-Jef-Gilson-19451975/release/7992472

    The Meeting Time: Bobby Jaspar / Byard Lancaster (palm 21)
G1    Et-Monk    
G2    Fast Fasts    
G3    Hot-Time    
H1    Modo Azul    
H2    Quiproquo    
H3    Love Always (later added to byard lancaster's 'mother africa' release)
 

what are the writing credits, and is it the same musicians on all of the above tracks (except for H3 which was recorded at the 'mother africa' session).

i missed this when collecting byard, thinking that it was unissued. 

the above tune titles don't look like his. so probably very free jazz, rather than one of many examples of melodic music for which byard is known?

 

Edited November 15, 2016 by l p

[Big Beat Steve]

Bobby Jaspar died in early 1963. How "free" did he become in his playing towards the end of his life?

These would have been VERY early examples of French free jazz.

According to the discographies, Hot Time, Quiproque, Et Monk? and Fast Fats (sic!) were recorded by a Jef Gilson septet (includig Bobby Jaspar) in October, 1958, and Mode Azul was recorded "c. 1960" by another Jef Gilson group (without Jaspar). None of the two lineups include Byard Lancaster. So these tunes originated in pre-free jazz days.

The first group has Roger Guerin, Fernand Verstraete (tp), Louis Fuentes (tB), Bobby Jaspar (ts), Walter Davis jr  (p). Doug Watkins (b), Art Taylor (dr), Jef Gilson (arr, cond). Acc. to Bruyninckx, these sessions were orignally released under Art Taylor's name (on the Spirit Jazz label sometime in the 60s).

The second one has Jean Liesse (tp), Jean-Louis Chautemps (tS), Jef Gilson (p), Guy de Fatto (B), Robert Barnet (dr), Georges Kirsch (cga).

 

The credits given by Discogs seem to be very misleading (again ).

 

 

 

[l p]

thanks. yes, from the packaging of this 4lp box it looked like several sessions on which jeff gilson participated. and it seems that he was the engineer on the byard track 'Love Always'.

[clifford_thornton]

Yes, Gilson was responsible for the non-Lancaster cuts (he's an interesting character though I hardly think of his music as 'free jazz') and also owned the Palm label, producing records by Lancaster, Frank Lowe, David S. Ware, Manuel Villardel and others.

[soulpope]

1 hour ago, clifford_thornton said:

Yes, Gilson was responsible for the non-Lancaster cuts (he's an interesting character though I hardly think of his music as 'free jazz') and also owned the Palm label, producing records by Lancaster, Frank Lowe, David S. Ware, Manuel Villardel and others.

Thats a good one ....

[clifford_thornton]

I've never had the Khan Jamal on Palm. The challenge with their records is that the pressings can be really shoddy... on musically "quiet" sessions this is a drag.

[soulpope]

13 hours ago, clifford_thornton said:

I've never had the Khan Jamal on Palm. The challenge with their records is that the pressings can be really shoddy... on musically "quiet" sessions this is a drag.

Right .... at least my copy of this platter doesn`t suffer extensively from this shortcomings ....