Guy Berger Posted September 30, 2018 Report Share Posted September 30, 2018 Hey all, I’ve been eyeing a 4 CD Steve Coleman box on Okeh - a series of concerts recorded in the mid-90s. The AMG reviews are mostly negative but I don’t take those too seriously with this kind of music. Worth picking up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted September 30, 2018 Report Share Posted September 30, 2018 I remember very much liking them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjazzg Posted September 30, 2018 Report Share Posted September 30, 2018 Another fan of them here. If you like Coleman's studio albums of the period you'll be fine with these. If you don't know the studio albums then be prepared for an amount of spoken word/rap on a couple of the concerts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted September 30, 2018 Report Share Posted September 30, 2018 FWIW, much of the rap appears to have been freestyled. I totally got into it, just one more element of improvisation. The shit is tight, all of it, and it swings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Berger Posted February 16, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2019 Have listened to the first two discs so far (MYTHS MODES & MEANS and WAY OF THE CIPHER). Really great stuff, esp MM&M. It’s interesting how much more organic and loose Steve’s approach has become over the past 24 yrs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted February 16, 2019 Report Share Posted February 16, 2019 57 minutes ago, Guy Berger said: It’s interesting how much more organic and loose Steve’s approach has become over the past 24 yrs. Totally agreed, and I'd entertain the notion that the concept has remained fundamentally the same, that it's the players playing it who have lived in/with it long enough to open up that loseness and organi-ness. The whole thing when first appeared, was not unlike the odd-meters of a few decades earlier. There was a lot of math involved, and most people had to do the math while playing jsut to keep it from falling apart. They were high level players, but still....math is math. But the longer that shit was out there, the more natural it came as instinct, math certainly evolves like that. And now, with a good Steve Coleman band, the math is not at all what you hear right away, you just hear the impulses and pulsations and worry about the math later, if at all. Maybe I'm projecting my evolution as a listener onto the music itself, but the further the records go, the looser the bands sound to me, evern when A-B ing older vs. newer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Berger Posted April 30, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2019 I love David Murray’s cameos in the 3rd disc (CURVES OF LIFE) - he’d like the post-1980 Mobley, makes good music as soon as he shows up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjazzg Posted April 30, 2019 Report Share Posted April 30, 2019 I need to listen to these again. Soon I remember loving the Murray contributions at the time. It brought two of my early Jazz favourites together Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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