Mark Stryker Posted October 12, 2022 Report Posted October 12, 2022 (edited) Gang -- here's an interesting question that grew out of a Twitter exchange I was involved in with Darcy James Argue, who had posted the 1932 recording of Ellington's "Ducky Wucky." Kind of a long wind-up, so bear with me. I noted that what Lawrence Brown plays in bars 7 and 8 of the first A section of "Ducky Wucky" is basically Monk's "Rhythm-a-ning" speeded up-- but since "Rhythm-a-ning" itself was appropriated by Monk from Mary Lou Williams' "Walking and Swinging": (1936), this begs the question: Did Williams pick up the melodic phrase from "Ducky Wucky?" And since that phrase appears only in the first A section of "Ducky Wucky," is it even correct to assume that Ellington (or Bigard, who shares composing credit), even wrote it? Brown may have improvised it. Darcy replied: "I think it was a fairly commonplace bit of vocabulary in this era, but your hypothesis makes sense. And the boogie-woogie inflections in the intro to 'Ducky Wucky' certainly bring MLW to mind!" Me: "I wouldn't disagree that the phrase was likely common practice material, but if so, then then it should appear on some other recording. If you can't find one, that's not a dealbreaker cuz, as I always say, the history of jazz is not the same as the history of jazz on record. ... But in this case, it would go a long way to proving the hypothesis. Any early jazz scholars or sleuths out there know of another example of the Ducky Wucky/Walking and Swinging/Rhythm-a-ning phrase showing up on record in the early to mid '30s?” Edited October 12, 2022 by Mark Stryker Quote
Fer Urbina Posted October 12, 2022 Report Posted October 12, 2022 Hi Mark, I blogged about this some time ago and have updated the post as I've found "new" relevant stuff: https://jazzofftherecord.blogspot.com/2009/12/rhythm-ning-detour-un-desvio.html From the period you ask, you have Teddy Bunn on "I've Got the World on a String" in 1934 (it's linked in the blogpost). F Quote
hgweber Posted October 15, 2022 Report Posted October 15, 2022 another version of opus caprice. wes montgomery with clark terry and pim jacobs trio Quote
Rooster_Ties Posted November 23, 2022 Report Posted November 23, 2022 Nice recent Anam Neely video on the general subject of copyright, using throughout the very example in this thread... Quote
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