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Shelly Manne -> Donnie Shell Your post nipped mine (and if I had a nickel for every time I've been in your place on this thread... ).

I don't think we wanted to see Dick Wellstood in shorts... Seriously!!! Well, legs allow us to see many facets of a person... Seriously??? I'd rather see him in these shorts:

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I don't think we wanted to see Dick Wellstood in shorts... Seriously!!!

"Frequently compared to Sergio Mendes BRASIL 66, JIVA has a bossa driven sophisticated sound that is rarely heard in modern dance music." So, it appears from reading their site that the "bossa" connection is the similarity to Brasil '66 (which, as well all know was a candy-coated pop group that capitalized on the "craze", as it were). Let me get real for a moment here. If americans (who are at all serious about their music) still think Brasil '66 = "Bossa Nova", then they simply haven't bothered to explore further, which is kind of sad. These same folks are hip to Astrud, but not Joao. They know Edie Gorme, but not Nara Leao. They know about John Pizzarelli, but not Baden Powell. Naturally, they never miss an episode of Ramsey Lewis's "Masters of Jazz", or whatever it's called. Btw, has anybody here every visited the A&M board and read the topics about Bossa Nova? It basically boils down to Sergio Mendes worship (actually, Brasil '66, '77, etc worship, becuase few of those people know about Sergio's earlier work in Brasil). Take Brasil '66, loosen it up a bit, add some modern instrumentation, modern soul singers, and mix up the beats, and what do you get? I don't know exactly, but it doesn't appeal to me very much (it's sort of pleasant in a smooth kind of way, but who needs that?). "The return of Bossa Nova sees a unique interpretation with this Atlanta based Soul ensemble. Sophisticated arrangements, classic songwriting, and driving bass and drums make this band impossible to miss in this era of music." Right... the "return of Bossa Nova" (Grandma, what BALLS you have!), which had of course completely disappeared for the past 40 years. "Classic songwriting"? Okay, I'm just going by the samples provided, but I just don't hear it. I hear a lot of stretching out on pleasant-enough vamps with some nice background sounds, but "classic songwriting"? Who's tootin' that horn? (no indication who wrote their "about" page). These appear to be talented musicians, no doubt with a good following in their area. More power to them, as they say. NEXT!

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Hmm... I think this raises more questions than it answers. Why would we want to see what Dick Wellstood looks like (Dick Wetmore yeah, but Dick Wellstood? )? Was this brought up in another thread? Are photos of Wellstood rare? Why do we get an old photo where's he's in the background, and that doesn't even show his whole face? Just curious.

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I don't know who you're asking, but speaking for myself, I think I'd rather watch a DG employee doing a dance about architecture... and I have a feeling I may be completely serious.

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I guess we'd have to ask the artists, but DG began the description with "Soul music with a Bossa Nova spirit". When they explained that the "spirit" was "space and grace", I began to scratch my head. Not only is that vague, aren't there a number of musical forms that feature "space and grace"? Miles in the 50's? Ravel? So, why opt to use the term "Bossa" (which of course is most closely associated with a Brazilian musical form that's well-established)? Because the artists wanted to give props to Bossa Nova? Because "Soul Com Bossa" had a catchy sound to it? Or, maybe DG screwed up the description of this music. Don't know, and I'm beginning to not really care (before this gets any more confusing).

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Thank you... I'm not very familiar with Bossa Nova. (little joke there... hopefully it's self-explanatory ) I almost feel like I understand that... (almost), but... who said so? And I'll ask you again- what's "Deep Brazilian"? ??? Are you serious? Explain to me how you're adding "grace" (go ahead and define that while you're at it) and space. Are you trying to tell me that Bossa Nova only existed originally (or even in the decades that immediately followed) with a certain amount of "grace", a certain amount of "space", a certain standard instrumentation, and a certain tempo? I hope you're not trying to tell me that, but it sounds like it. If instead you're getting at something more specific in terms of a "new form", then by all means- be more specific. Yeah, and by 2006 "Rhythm and Blues" has become an open term in the U.S. (depends who you ask, right?). But really, I know Bossa Nova is more than just a certain type of rhythm, and one can legitimately extend the meaning of the term to encompass things that go beyond having strictly musical elements (Jobim himself said something to the effect that Japan is like Bossa Nova- it's peaceful... elegant...). At any rate, I don't wish to see this term (or any other term, for that matter) getting more "open" than it has to be- especially when describing the actual music. That's what prompted me to post here in the first place. And Rod, I'm sorry if any of this comes across as hostile... I guess I'm just entering a pet peeve zone here (and I'll gladly listen to any contrary arguments).

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What's "Deep Brazilian"?

By doing what? By trying to correctly (accurately, appropriately... take your pick) apply musical terms that have become well-established over a long period of time, and not throw them around recklessly in cases where they don't really apply. This may be a bit vague (moreso to people who know little of music history, I would think), subjective to some extent, and I realize it's idealistic, but I think it's worth saying anyway. So, again, I'm not objecting to the non-traditional music-making in this case... just the idea that "bossa" is being used here where it doesn't seem to apply, except via some vague connection ("space and grace"). Maybe I'll be proven wrong, but going by DG's description only, I got the sense that I have a valid complaint... trivial though it may be.

I dunno... I wouldn't even begin to think about criticizing the music (or the inspiration behind it, actually), because I haven't heard it, but... I guess I'm bothered by the tendency for people to borrow and rather carelessly throw around musical terminology. Can we please hold on to some of our history, and be true to it? I mean, look at what's being labeled as "R&B" these days. I can appreciate the props (assuming that's the basis for it) for "Bossa" in a case like this, but if there's no actual, recognizable bossa element to be found in this music, I would have thought it might have been better to come up with another title, still indicating the "space and grace" concept while not misleading anybody and adding to the confusion and dilution of meaning that goes on these days. I know, a long rant for such a trivial offense (as I see it, anyway). -_- Oh, btw, does anybody else feel clueless about wtf this music might sound like? "Away from the usual beats n keys mode"? You mean... I mean... is this literally "free" as in "free jazz", yet with a "bossa nova spirit"? Sorry, I'm confused. "Space & Grace"...? hmmm... okay, that was clear...

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