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Selling RVG-Connoisseur-20bit K2-Box Sets
Daniel A replied to Mr Mingus's topic in Offering and Looking For...
Hey, you're still allowed to keep the music on your Ipod after scratching the CD itself beyond recognition, as long as you keep the unplayable - but genuine - CD! But to answer your question; no, (*cough*) I kept on playing my cassettes... ] -
Selling RVG-Connoisseur-20bit K2-Box Sets
Daniel A replied to Mr Mingus's topic in Offering and Looking For...
Assumption based on the first post in the thread, which may have been prased slightly different from the beginning (I can't remember anymore). -
Would be much appreciated, Peter!
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Thanks for replying, Chuck. In any case, the fold-downs could possibly be preferred to listening to CD reissues with the mono button on. To avoid the heavy stereo separation of Chick Corea's "Tones for Joan's Bones" (nominally on Vortex) when listening through headphones I tried to use the mono button on the amp, but due to phase problems this introduced heavy distorsion on the piano.
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What is the general perception about the sound quality of mono pressings of Atlantic albums in general, and late mono albums in particular? Many Atlantic albums never sounded great in the first place from what I've heard, but I've never heard anyone comment on the mono/stereo pressing issue. Was there a point from which mono pressings were "fold-downs" of stereo masters, or were they done that way from the beginning of the stereo era already? I can see that there's a point of getting mono pressings anyway, since the stereo image of 60s Atlantic sessions is kind of artificial anyway. (I've recently spotted a mono copy of Joe Zawinul's 'Money in the Pocket', recorded in 1966. I also happen to know that CD reissue does not sound good at all, so I'm a bit tempted to go for the LP. On a sidenote: it has catalog no SD 3004, for some reason one of only eight titles in the Atlantic 3000 series, which incidentally included both of Duke Pearson's Atlantic albums)
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Hardly surprising, but no less depressing, that the Solal album is deleted so soon. If you're thinking of getting it - do it now. It could possibly be that it may never be reissued again.
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Francy Boland Kenny Clarke Big Band 'Volcano' (1969, US Polydor pressing)
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Maybe someone has mentioned this somewhere already - there has been an announcement that these BN titles will be deleted soon: Clifford Brown - The Complete Blue Note & Pacific Jazz Recordings Martial Solal - NY1 Peggy Lee - Travelin' Light Stefon Harris - A Cloud Of Red Dust Joe Lovano - Flights Of Fancy Jason Moran - Soundtrack To Human Emotion Greg Osby - Inner Circle Jimmy Rushing - Five Feet Of Soul Jacky Terrasson - Jacky Terrasson Various Artists - Yule Be-Boppin'
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It could be that the sound check function works a bit like ReplayGain, which means it uses some RMS related calculation rather than normalization, like rostasi said. The information is stored the file header and does not alter the actual data, it's just affecting playback. A quick Google search for RMS didn't come up with anything more meaty, but a short and not too deep explanation of Root Mean Square can be found at the RaplayGain site: http://replaygain.hydrogenaudio.org/calculating_rg.html
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Kenny Dorham's Blue Lament. 1961 unissued BN session.
Daniel A replied to Hardbopjazz's topic in Discography
Regarding the unreleased Washington session, I've seen someone comment upon it somewhere - probably back on the BNBB - so there seems to be copies around. -
It looks as if the biggest low-end difference is below 40 Hz. Wouldn't pehaps rumble and the like from the turntable make up for a big part of that?
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So master tapes for the recordings that were actually released were not destroyed in the fire? The reason for my question is that it appears the sound of some, not to say many, Atlantic CD reissues are not comparable sound-quality-wise with many other contemporaneous recordings, and I was curious to what extent original reels still existed. Is there any point in hunting for LP copies of albums with particularly muddy sound, or are the tapes that have survived the same as those used for mastering the original LPs in any case?
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With kind and instant online assistance from couw I've now created a frequency graph which could be compared with the two he posted above (my previous post is updated). So, what does it now tell us?
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After some dabbling, this is the LP graph:
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I was foolish enough to erase the wav track recorded from the LP. I'm recording it again as I'm typing this and I've now raised the recording volume so that it will peak more or less at 0.0 dB. Are the frequency statistics you posted generated from total track scans? I think I remember those take ages on my old PC, but I'll se what I can do...
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What's apparent from the graphs is that the TOCJ-4321 seems less compressed than the LP, while the RVG CD and LP seem more similar in this regard. However, my subjective view is that the LP sounds best, tightly followed by the TOCJ, while the RVG sounds nasal and somewhat tiring.
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I just made a transfer to my computer of Herbie Hancock's "The Prisoner". Here's a graph of the title cut (original Liberty pressing). I've recorded it so that the loudest parts are around -0.8 dB. The CD is mastered a little bit higher, but it should be possible to get an impression about the overall compression in the different masters. RVG LP (1969):
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I also realize that the Connoisseur must be EQ:ed differently than the BN Works version, since the peaks are at different places.
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A closer look revealed that it was in fact Larry Walsh who remastered the Connoisseur. It seems more compressed than the Japanese version, though not anywhere near the RVG. Would be interesting to see a graph of an original vinyl copy. It's strange Van Gelder masters his CD reissues so differently than the original LPs (at least from how they sound). EDIT: I just noticed that the heavily compressed graph above was not the RVG, but in fact the most recent 24 bit Japanese release.
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John, which tune and which part do your graphs show? Since I have the McMastered Connoisseur it could be fun if I posted a graph of the same section from that remaster as well for comparsion.
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Oliver Nelson 'Berlin Dialogue for Orchestra' (Philips/Flying Dutchman)
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I'm no expert, but I would think that if the fold-down is done correctly, the individual levels of the different instruments are preserved regardless of where the instruments are in the stereo mix (left/center/right). Sort of listening to the stereo mix with a single ear.
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A VPI cleaning machine is out of reach for me, so I'm trying to explore the various manual methods there are for cleaning LPs. I recently bought a kit from Clearaudio which contained a few different kind of liquids (needle, LP and platter cleaning), various brushes plus some additional semi-useless things. This kind of products usually seems to be overpriced, but I was in a spending mode and also a bit curious if I could find out how these allegedly good products are working. Basically, there are three components: a cloth, some liquid and a dust-removing brush. It seems as if at least the two first could be substituted with much cheaper products than stuff designed for LP cleaning, while achieving the same results. I've read Tony J's post here as well as the method described by Porcy62 here, but I remain uncertain as to what kind of cloth and liquid I should use. What concerns me is that some cloths not designed for this kind of use seem to introduce static to the LP surface. Claude recommended a microfibre cloth in another thread, which might be the way to go. The cloth that came with the Clearaudio set is very similar to those used to wipe off a pair of glasses, only it feels a bit "drier". In that respect the finest microfibre cloths are very similar to the Clearaudio cloth. Then, there's the cleaning solution. It appears as if the Clearaudio solution is alcohol based, allthough the manufacturer carefully has avoided specifying what the contents are. Despite it is sometimes stated that alcohol should not be used for LP cleaning, many people also seem satisfied with the results. So, I'd just like to hear if anyone has any comments to: - Using a micrifibre cloth - The proportion of alcohol relative to destilled water in the cleaning solution