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5 hours ago, Larry Kart said:
Pim: Thanks to you, I have been doing as much reading as I possibly can about all or some of this in a rather brief time, and a key element seems to be that of so-called "breakthrough cases" -- that is, cases among people who have been fully vaccinated. Such people, the medical consensus so far seems to be, will be less susceptible to serious symptoms, but they will be capable of transmitting the virus to others. Thus, perhaps and in part, the situation you have described taking place in the Netherlands. This is particularly so in today's era of Omicron.In this regard I particularly recommend Eleanor Cummins' story in the Monday 12/20 issue if the New York Times, "Most Covid Infections May Soon Be Breakthroughs." I'll try to post a link to that story below.
BTW, that development may answer a question I've been asking myself: "Why are so many professional athletes coming down with Covid when one assumes that most of them are fully vaccinated?" Fully vaccinated though they may be, they are playing and practicing and associating in locker rooms in close contact with each other, and those of them who are so-called breakthrough cases can transmit the virus to others who are vaccinated, even though most of these athletes who are vaccinated may go on to have less than severe symptoms. A minor matter in the overall situation we're facing but a perhaps revealing part of the puzzle.
Cummins Covid story:
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/19/opinion/omicron-breakthroughs.html?smid=url-shareThanks for sharing that article Larry. Interesting stuff. This is mostly what I mean. Vaccinated people are contagious but with the vaccinated only policy they give vaccinated people the feeling they are safe. And governments weird way of communicating attributes to that feeling: with a vaccination you could do and visit whatever or whoever you like because hey: you are vaccinated. Part for some moral objections to the policy this is mostly why I feel it’s just not right to do. As I said: if the vaccination was very effective and the way out of this crisis I might have been pro mandatory in the interest of public health. But it doesn’t work that way (yet).
Of course I do agree, this is scientifically proven, that it does help against hospilizations especially on the ICU. As I said I am glad my 70+ parents took the booster last week. Although I have to say I was still shocked by how many vaccinated people got hospitalized anyway. What I tried to explain with arguments is why I, as a 30 year old healthy guy, have doubts about getting a booster. And I feel really anxious bout people who want to force me to vaccinate my two boys. I have fAith in science and it’s probably going to be okay but things are still unsure yet and we have just began. I think I have the right to doubt as it’s my health and my sons health we are talking about.
4 hours ago, jlhoots said:Come on everybody - just get vaccinated, boostered & wear your mask. Could wash your hands too.
This is exactly what I mean with the other extreme side opposite from the conspiracy loonies. ‘Just shut up and do as you’ve been told, if you don’t you’re crazy and a hazard to society’.
Why shouldn’t people think critical of policies, ask questions, discuss and exchange ideas? That is what makes democracy such a great system.
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@Larry Kart I try it this way for the quoting function does not work on my phone. Interesting statistics that indeed might indicate it helps against conteminations. I think it has been scientifically proven it does: at least a little. I think it’s a little too little anyhow and my countries situation is a perfect example of that.
what I said about the museums, restaurants, bars etc. It’s pretty sure that contaminations there were from vaccinated people as unvaccinated people had to get tested before which is always the safest option and most sure way to know if someone has COVID or not. What I was trying to say, and I know this happens: once you’re vaccinated all control is gone. Because I am vaccinated twice I could easily go into a restaurant or theater with a fever and a sore throat. And I know people do this. This makes the vaccinated only policy not only unfair but also very questionable in the sense of effectiveness.
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2 hours ago, Rooster_Ties said:
What's not transparent about trying to strongly-encourage, strongly-incentivize people getting fully vaccinated? Or providing disincentives to NOT getting vaccinated.
Seems pretty transparent to me -- and from all I've seen and read, these measures save lives.
I am talking about telling people that the vaccinated people only policy is there because it's safe or that it works because vaccinated people can't hardly contaminate others. That is not true and it's the reason were in trouble again. If you want to make a safe policy you should create a test only policy: you only get acces when you're tested wherever you're vaccinated or not. The only intent of the vaccinated only people policy is to force them to get the booster. If that's you're kind of policy that's fine but you should be transparent about your real motivations. The fact so many people are in the hospitals proof it does not safe live.
16 minutes ago, Steve Reynolds said:The statement that the Pfizer booster is only good for 2 months simply isn’t true. All evidence is that the Pfizer & Moderna boosters are expected to provide a strong effect against covid (including Omicron) for upwards of 8 months or more.
Well, the enormous ammount of information doesn't make it easier to get well informed. The fact that boosters efficence fade out so fast was spoken of today by our own Fauci: Jaap van Dissel. He says the original vaccin was created for the alpha variant and it's getting less effective with every new variant. According to him it does give your system a small boost bud it fades out again fast.
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21 hours ago, Larry Kart said:
You do understand that unvaccinated people are a significant threat to the health of the rest of the population. The virus doesn't care about your privacy, liberty, etc. it just wants to proliferate. So if the government exists in part to protect the well-being of the population, it shouldn't take the one act, make vaccinations and mask wearing mandatory, that is at present the best and only step toward that goal? What "middle" is there here, especially when the loss or injury of getting vaccinated is nada by and large.
Sorry Larry but I disagree on that. The real danger and problem that caused our rising numbers of contaminations were vaccinated people visiting the restaurants, museums and parties with the false idea that they would be safe. They didn't have to hold distance to each other: they were free to do whatever they liked to do. That is exactly the problem with the vaccinated people only police: they are still able to spread the virus and contaminate people and therefore bring others in a dangerous situation. In fact: at least the unvaccinated people had to test themselves before entering such locations and their presence was of less danger. Hello! I am vaccinated but everybody could understand this system is unjust and not right. The vaccinated only people policy is meant to force people to take the vaccin. If that's what you want to accomplish, you should be transparent about it.
On 20-12-2021 at 2:30 PM, OliverM said:Pim, good luck with the lockdown. Vaccination, including boosters still seems like the best that can be done to prevent from serious illness. The policy evolution you mention is the same that's happening in France, and there are already 11 mandatory vaccines here, so I find it perfectly ok.
It seems not unfortunately and I do not see why it is so hard to admit. Today the head figure of our National Health Service announced that the Pfizer and Moderna vaccins are 5x less resistant to the new Omrikon variant. A booster vaccin would get it up to maybe 60% but only for a short while. This would mean you have to booster again after 2 months. The same sounds are coming from Israel now where they are planning for a 4th injection which is probably going to be even less resistant. Half november, half of the people on our intensive care units were vaccinated. This is data from our National Health Service. They stopped publishing that data ever since.... I know a lot of people who were double vaccinated and still got very, very ill including two of my co workers. 2 of those people were even hospitalized. Almost 90 percent (again data from our government) of the adult population are fully vaccinated here in the Netherlands. Yet contaminations are sky high and so are the hospitalizations. They are so high we need to go in lockdown again.
All these statistical facts are enough to seriously doubt the effectivity of the vaccins or the boosters. I fully agree that it still is the best way to prevent from serious ilness: I am glad my 70+ mom and dad both got their boosters and hope everyone with a vulnerable health does. But the arguments for a 30 year old healthy guy like myself are getting smaller and smaller. I mostly took my vaccinations to be less contaminatious and to end this crisis. It prooved to not work for both of these arguments.
The mandatory vaccins you are refering to (polio, tetanus etc.) have prooved to be 1. effective, 2. safe 3. give livelong protection and beneftis. If the COVID vaccins were like this, I'd might be pro-mandatory. But they are not. They are actually far from that. And in such a case it's not always wrong to be a little critical. I have a healthy trust that the vaccines are probably not harmful and results up to now fortunately show nothing serious. But lots of things are also uncertain and we are still in the experimental phase. It's my body and more important my health: so may I please have the right to worry about what I am putting in it? Or better: in my childrens bodies? Again: if vaccins were the definite way out of this crisis I took the shot right away. But the harsh message people do not want to hear is: they are not...
21 hours ago, mjazzg said:Yes, there isn't a middle ground here that I can see.
In the UK there's lots of hot air about liberty being infringed when it comes to showing either vaccination status or negative test proof to enter large venues. I just want to to ask the more swivel-eyed of our MPs (one of whom thought it appropriate to compare this introduction to living in Nazi Germany, ffs) whether they ever object to their liberty being infringed by having to have a driving licence to prove eligibility to drive on our roads.
They are making those nazi-Germany comparisons here too. It's digusting. They have no idea what they are talking about. What I hope everyone could see here is that I am not a conspiracy loony or something. I am not using data from Breitbart or weird conspiricary blogs. I am using the same data as the Dutch government does. In that way I try to explain why I am doubting the current vaccination program and oppose mandatory vaccines under current circumstances. But you can't say one critical thing on government policy these days without being placed in the loonatic camp. That is what I mean with the missing middle ground: the people I work with, my family and friends are taking the crisis very serious. They are all double vaccinated and so am I. We have all followed government instructions about what to do and what not to do. But they are also skeptical about the current vaccination policies. I miss that moderate critical sound in the media very, very much. It's either you are with us or against us but its not that easy.
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We’re back in a full lockdown here in the Netherlands. Still waiting for someone to admit that the vaccinations do not work as they had supposed to do… I took both shots for I was thinking it was the right thing to do. It probably was anyway but I am very disappointed about the whole situation right now.
What worries me more are the rising tensions and polarization here. On one side we got a government that tries to make a vaccin mandatory… really guys mandatory? I’m all for vaccinations but making it mandatory violates the most basic human rights.
there isn’t any logic in coming policy too. Plan is to give vaccinated people access to everything and to ban the unvaccinated from everything. That means that I as a vaccinated, could visit a restaurant with a fever, cough and running nose. A colleague of mine is unvaccinated: she needs to get tested first every time she wants to do something. So in this time, her visit gives the smallest risk. I could easily contaminate some people there because vaccinated people could still easily contaminate others.
So who’s in the critical camp then? It’s the people that believe Bill Gates tries to get a chip in our system to meltdown our brains during the reset. And let’s not forget the network of pedophiles that are drinking baby blood….
Where is the moderate sound? It like you’re either pro vaccination or against it. Like you’re always have to be pro migration or against it. Pro environmental policy or against it. Mostly the truth is somewhere in the middle. I miss that sound from the middle very much.
really guys, it’s like the worlds gone crazy. I am really worried about the future of my two boys
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Not sure it’s what you mean exactly but when I think about broodiness: it’s a word that I used a lot on my Mal Waldron blog. Mal’s music is serious stuff and he could set an atmosphere that is hard to describe. But dark or brooding comes close to it. Some examples:
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Speaking off Contemporary…. This one arrived in the mail yesterday. Fantastic session and again I’m hugely impressed by Barbara Donald’s playing.
25 minutes ago, HutchFan said:Now spinning:
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Hannibal and The Sunrise Orchestra - Hannibal (MPS, 1975)
Incredible music, incredible playing. Soul Brother….
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Rip mr Harris
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19 hours ago, sidewinder said:
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Verdict - definitive issue, by far the best version of this classic I have heard (don’t have an original). Charlie Mariano never sounded better and the Spanish guitar sound is exquisite.
Yeah I fully agree. Excellent sound.
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I’ve got a 1985 US vinyl copy that sounds great. It is indeed a great session.
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2 minutes ago, sidewinder said:
Don’t tempt me - a local store has a copy.
Go for it. It sounds fantastic
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22 minutes ago, sidewinder said:
Excellent reissue of that Oktav !
Yeah the sound is incredible!
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Didn;t know much of his music but I really dig this one! Great big band playing. Reminds me somewhat of the stuff that Oliver Nelson was doing.
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On 1-12-2021 at 11:37 PM, sonnymax said:
NBC News reports: Anti-vaccine Christian broadcaster Marcus Lamb dies at 64 after contracting Covid…In recent months, a number of prominent anti-vaccination Christian broadcasters have died from Covid-19. Conservative radio hosts Dick Farrell, Phil Valentine and Marc Bernier, who were unvaccinated, all died after they contracted Covid.
Must be a conspiracy
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53 minutes ago, felser said:
First thing to do is to pay $8 to download the album from Amazon, which breaks my own rule of don't pay for downloads (I break it myself on special occasions) while you hold out for a good price on a CD of it.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00261209U/ref=dm_ws_sp_ps_dp
Then, immediately put "Effi" on repeat play from youtube, official courtesy of WEA, totally legal:It’s on Spotify so fortunately I already have access to this fantastic music. But still looking for a physical format and then it’s vinyl I am looking for
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19 minutes ago, felser said:
On the other hand, the first thing I thought of when I saw the topic was that I hope they ARE going to reissue Rumasuma. But, it being Concord, we're more likely to get a 34 minute CD of "Sonny Simmons Plays for Lovers".
Haha selfish of me! Of course a reissue would be great
but I would feel a little goofy spending so much money on an original copy just one day before the announcement 
Also got my eye on a way too expansive vinyl issue of Max Roach ‘Members don’t Get Weary’. But I have a feeling it might get reissued soon. What to do, what to do….
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Great news! Hope they are not going to do a reissue of Simmons’ Rumasuma for I just spent a lot of money for an original copy….
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Ive written some articles for the Dutch wiki when I was around 14 years old. Stuff for some more obscure artists that did not have an entry. They were very, very subjective haha. I was writing stuff like: Red Callender is one of the most under appreciated bassists from the swing era and Tatum teamed up for he was one of the few bass players that could keep up with him….
I remember it has been there for a while for nobody was checking these kind of entries
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Not sure he was the most innovative or explorative of sax players but damn he was great. Don’t know how to describe it exactly but there was just so much soul and feeling in his playing. He is among the guys that really got me into jazz. Late ‘50’s early 60’s is my favorite period. You know the bands with Hayes and Sam Jones etc. Great stuff.
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On 28-11-2021 at 1:53 AM, Guy Berger said:
What do people think of the two 1968 live discs of Joe with the Wynton Kelly trio that Verve issued in the 90s?
I’ve spent a lot of time with Straight No Chaser recently and it’s enjoyable but also underwhelming given the names on it. Basically great musicians on a ho hum night - very different from Joe Henderson in Japan.
I feel the same way. I was very excited initially when I bought them second hand on a cd/lp fair. Started listening with high expectations but was a little disappointed. Joe was doing more exciting things those years.
It’s not bad. I mean hey: it’s Joe and Wynton! But I could live without them.
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I really love this period of Trane and would love to hear more from it. Stellar Regions is desert island material for me.
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1 hour ago, felser said:
Dream team. Have Tolliver and Harper ever played/recorded together?
Harper was in the Tolliver big band in the 00’s: he’s on Emperor March and With Love.
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Wow they better record this stuff! Wish I could be there…. Billy Harper should take the tenor spot
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5 hours ago, felser said:
Asha should be next. Amazing artist, fascinating life. True Renaissance man.
On my list!
COVID-19 III: No Politics For Thee
in Miscellaneous - Non-Political
Posted · Edited by Pim
Yeah instead of responding with reasonable arguments in a mature way, let’s just take the others arguments out of context and make a personal attack.
if you had bothered to read any of my posts you would have read that I based my opinion also on scientific facts as provided by the Dutch government.