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Agreed, but embarrassing and unfortunate remarks permeate through the entire thread, don't you think? From Rainy and the troll to Rainy and her sidekick, to Dolan's dance invitation, to just about everything posted by the principals: Stan the MAJOR man and his web mistress. I think the "uppity" mention was ill-informed and inadvertent, but it was serious fodder for the trolls, notice how quickly the popped out of the snake pit.

I didn't mean in the first round, but I think this second round has got to tell him how transparent he is, at least to minor people (who, oddly, would appear to have keener perception). BTW, that parody by Bret Primack is very funny--I read it a long time ago and time has not faded the humor.

Well, the discussion over there has taken a new turn that has Rainy (and her co-hort) foaming at the mouth, dealing all her race cards and cursing like bad day at Oz. Not surprisingly, the race spark came from the Ohio troll. I agree that bringing Stanley here would be a big mistake. That said, I think he has learned a lesson over on the corner.

July 12, 2006 Former Mayor of Houston Collapses at Service for Ex-Chairman of Enron By THAYER EVANS HOUSTON, July 12 — Bob Lanier, the former mayor of Houston, collapsed in a Houston church just as a memorial service for Kenneth Lay, the founder and former chairman of Enron who died last week, was getting underway. Emergency medical technicians were summoned as Mr. Lanier lay on the floor of the church for about 15 minutes. He then appeared to stand up and leave the church on his feet, to applause from the crowd of mourners in the church. He was taken to a local hospital. "His heart is strong," a pastor presiding over the service announced to the crowd. "His pulse is good." The pastor said Mr. Lanier’s sudden fall may have been due to a loosened heart stent. The pastor led the crowd in praying for Mr. Lanier while he lay on the floor. The memorial service resumed after he left in an ambulance.

Scott Dolan? Who is that--another minor guy?

This is great, some of my favorite JC habitués have found their way here. Hi Pete C Hi Uli

Good to see you here, Jon. No, I don't think you are right about Damen=Gibson (Gibson should feel relieved). I think Damen is just a pretentious, arrogant little troll with an infatuation for you-know-who. He sure comes off as a shill for the J@LC crowd, but Gibson did not leave under the best of circumstances, so I don't think he would be fawning in the manner of Damen. Also, I think Gibson is more mature, he would not resort to the childish arguments and conjectures that are Damen's stock in trade. Damen is a mean-spirited, shallow troll who pops up to annoy rather than to contribute. I hope you will join us over here--we argue, differ widely, &c. but I think we are a rather nice bunch of posters and the board is owned and operated by great guys who make fine music when not having to put up with us.

Chuck Nessa: "Met Lois in the '70s when she was married to Cuscuna (stayed at their apartment a couple of times). I always thought she was smarter than she seems right now." Let's hope so, Chuck, but the evidence isn't there right now. She was very nice when I knew her and supported her endeavors, but something has happened--I have a feeling that she measures friendship in terms of industry contacts. So far, she has extended two invitations to Stanley. He bit twice, each time posting a rambling, response to "minor men"* that borders on (some say crosses into) the egomaniacal. Judging by the reception's Stanley received, Lois has clearly struck out twice. * I do not normally traffic in responses to minor men who lather themselves crazy as they condescend up to me.--Crouch in post #2. It's too bad, because Jazz Corner could be a a pleasant place to hang one's thoughts--as it once was--but it just isn't. When I say that Lois is clueless, I mean that she should realize that the people Crouch calls "minor" are the ones who help her keep her forum going. Does she defend them against his ungrounded insults? No, she sides with Crouch and seems bewildered that everybody isn't fawning over him. Clueless, indeed. BTW, I recommend that anyone who hasn't dropped by JC and read the new post by Stanley do so. It is an extraordinary, shameless piece of self-puffery--so bad that some posters actually think it is a put-on. No one can make a fool of Crouch as well as he himself can. Hi Crawjo, good to see you here

Meaning?

"This thread has the potential of being one of the most meaningful on this board that I've read in a long time." -- Lois Gilbert (this evening). Well, she started the thread, but she is clueless.

Guy: Though I obviously wasn't there, it did seem to me that Avakian's story inflated Jones's supposed importance to the performance at the expense of the musicians actually onstage, and that Schaap was setting the record straight. I'll have to read it again. When you read it again, consider this: Schaap has a history of twisting the truth George Avakian has no such history Schaap wasn't there George was there Duke was also there Duke gives the credit to Jo Jones Sorry, Guy, but it sounds very much like you want to prove Schaap right. The odds are against that.

In this case... sock it tome?

He didn't do so well when he appeared before a black audience on Tavis Smiley's annual C-Span panel. It would appear that he holds himself in higher regard than anyone else does ('cept, of course, the JC Winnie pop-ups )

I only check occasionally, but this time I was urged to do so by a friend. No, I will never post there again, and Stanley is not the only reason why. You have trolls like Damen, who plays infatuated school girl whenever anyone dares to criticize J@LC or its people (Crouch among them); you have old Rainy and James H, who never fail to have a race card up their sleeve; there's Dolan and his Archie Bunker-like comments and insults; Monte and his lame neo-Con "humor"; and, last but not least, Lois herself, who apparently will resort to anything if she thinks it can resuscitate her board. It was when she sent some of our posts to Stanley and egged him on to respond that I saw the last straw. He, as you probably know, posted one long, self-serving response and when it did not win him a popularity poll, he went back under his rock. Now, again at Lois' urging, he has reared his head again and posted another piece of self-puffery. Again, this seems to be backfiring for him. You may wonder why I am not turned off my Organissimo's resident Bushies. Well, I do have my rounds with them, but even the most loyal, Weizen and Conrad, have qualities that make it difficult to not like them. It has a lot to do with the environment. Lois creates a bad one, IMO, Jim and the Big O people don't. Just look at the venomous exchange troll Damen has started at this point--would Jim A let it ride on like that? I don't think so. Hot Ptah, I found Dolan's remark re me--it's typical. Have you noticed how he is otherwise staying out of this thread? Ditto the corner's other Bush pushers. I wonder why? Finally, I would be remiss if I did not mention that there are regulars (and ocasionals) at JC who I wish would join us here.

Check this JC thread out--you might find post #123 particularly interesting. Be prepared for a lot of egotistical bullshit. http://jazzcornertalk.com/speakeasy/showthread.php?t=16584

This is yet another reissue botched by Schaap. Big Al's reasons (the negatives) for avoiding this release of the concert are valid. I made no attempt to replace my copy when it was stolen.

Good luck with the project. I look forward to hearing the result.

Concord may not realize it, but they should have some unissued Elmer Snowden material that I produced for Riverside. I was not pleased with these tracks, so I scrapped them and decided to do what became the Harlem Banjo album. Ray Bryant was a student of Elmer's in Philadelphia--they had done many gigs together and Ray played drums when the gig did not involve a piano. Here's what they might find in the vault: Elmer Snowden Elmer Snowden (banjo); Ray Bryant (piano); Garvin Bushell (tenor sax, bassoon, clarinet); Gene Dedric (tenor sax and clarinet); Jimmy Rowser (bass); Mickey Roker (drums). Recorded at Plaza Sound Studios (atop Radio City Music Hall), NYC on October 11, 1961. Keepin' Out Of Mischief Now (3 takes) Black Bottom (4 takes) Elmer Snowden with The Ray Bryant Trio Elmer Snowden (banjo and guitar); Ray Bryant (piano); Jimmy Rowser (bass); Mickey Roker (drums). Recorded at Plaza Sound Studios, NYC on October 12, 1961. Mack the Knife (2 takes) Ain't Misbehavin' (2 takes) Lady Be Good (3 takes) Indiana (2 takes) (Elmer plays guitar) BTW, I also did a Snowden album on my own, which I later sold to Alan Bates (not the actor) who first released it on Fontana, then his own label, Black Lion: Elmer Snowden Sextet Elmer Snowden (electric guitar); Roy Eldridge (trumpet and vocals); Bud Freeman (tenor sax); Ray Bryant (piano); Tommy Bryant (bass); Jo Jones (drums). Recorded at Stea-Phillips Studios, NYC on February 1, 1962. Beale Street Blues (2 takes) My Blue Heaven (3 takes) Basin Street Blues School Days (2 takes) - vocal by Roy Same personnel and studio - February 2, 1962: Elmer Snowden (electric guitar); Roy Eldridge (trumpet and vocals); Bud Freeman (tenor sax); Ray Bryant (piano); Tommy Bryant (bass); Jo Jones (drums). Recorded at Stea-Phillips Studios, NYC on February 2, 1962. One For the Money (2 takes) - vocal by Roy Loveless Love Saturday Night Fish Fry (2 takes) - vocal by Roy

I'm afraid there isn't any more in the vaults. I did two sessions, one with each band, with the idea of issuing them back to back on LP. In retrospect, of course, I wish we had recorded two album sessions. Ed Allen (as I may have mentioned in the notes) played that wonderful solo on Bessie Smith's "Nobody Knows You When You Are Down and Out." At the time of this recording, he was, as I recall, playing in a lowly taxi dance hall on 14th Street. Cliff Jackson's Washboard Wanderers Cliff Jackson (piano); Ed Allen (cornet); Rudy Powell (clarinet); Elmer Snowden (banjo); Abe Bolar (bass); Floyd Casey (washboard and kazoo). Recorded at Van Gelder studio on July 20, 1961. Wolverine Blues Sheik of Araby I Found a New Baby Blues For Englewood Cliffs (FC plays kazoo) Dick Wellstood and His Wallerites Dick Wellstood (piano); Herman Autry (trumpet); Gene Sedric (clarinet and tenor sax); Milt Hinton (bass); Zutty Singleton (drums). Recorded at Van Gelder studio on July 27, 1961. Yachtclub Swing Brush Lightly Blook's Dues

It would be very far down on my list..... .....near the bottom.

The Dutch were, after all, prime movers in the Africa slave trade--guess there's still a bit of that in their genes.

EDITORIAL July 6, 2006 Ken Lay's Final Act These days, a fall from grace is generally a drawn-out affair, replete with legal appeals and bids for second or even third acts. For many Americans, Kenneth Lay's purgatory of disgrace and litigation may have seemed to go on longer than his glory days as the chief executive of Enron. But his death yesterday — after a trial in which he took the stand and was ultimately convicted on a long list of fraud and conspiracy charges — seemed very sudden indeed. It came before the expected final curtain — his sentencing and departure for prison. Victims of Enron's spectacular collapse may feel cheated that the company's public face and one of its leading architects died in comfort, in upscale Aspen, Colo., without ever serving a day for his many crimes. Supporters are likely to say that prosecutors and the press hounded him to an early grave. From any perspective, this feels like an unfinished tale. A true bootstraps story, Mr. Lay's life seemed at first scripted by Horatio Alger, now by Theodore Dreiser. With his folksy charm, the preacher's son who grew up poor in Missouri captivated the nation's attention in a way that Jeffrey Skilling, the former McKinsey consultant who was Mr. Lay's co-defendant, never could. A boardroom Icarus, Mr. Lay made a spectacular fortune and befriended the president before his beloved company evaporated, taking the dreams and retirement accounts of workers and investors with it and utterly changing the way corporate books and decisions are scrutinized. An American symbol was extinguished in court; it was a man who died yesterday. Mr. Lay was fairly convicted of his crimes, but he was also a father and grandfather, whose family mourns his passing. He was headed for the penitentiary, but that did not have to be the end for him. He would have had an opportunity to use his personal skills to help other prisoners. And at 64 years, he might have had another shot at that third act after all. Michael Milken has devoted much of his resources to medical research since serving his sentence. What Ken Lay might have done we will never know. Chances are it would have been interesting.

Lew Tabackin sent me this--I thought I'd share it... Monica Lewinsky turned 31 this week. Can you believe it? It seems like only yesterday she was crawling around the White House on her hands and knees. They grow up so fast.

Sorry to be so cynical, but I guess the appointed creep in the White House won't have "Kenny Boy" to pardon. Oh well, there's still Scooter.