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I don't, not really. The few people I've talked to who would/could/should know haven't heard from him for a while, but the last they did, they all said that he was getting off into his religion. So hopefully, he's been leading a quiet, peaceful life of meditation and such, far away from the music business. Hey, the odds gotta be 50/50, right?

Yeah, I know there was a lot of drama that went with the whole Blue Note Diaspora, and in retrospect, hey that was what it was and it weren't pretty, but what I don't get is why some people show up, make a big deal about I'M HERE and shit, and then immediately get bugged because they don't like things. Hell, down here in Texas, we got a word for people like that and it's "Yankees" and it's a derogatory term indicating a near-total self-absorption manifested in an egocentricity of the type where it's all about me and why can't you be the way I want/need/picture you to be so I can live my life the way that a God's Gift To Mankind Like Me needs to live it, ok? Hey, later for all that. papsrus, otoh, just shows up , starts talking with everybody instead of to them, and I'm thinking to myself that this cat's been here for quite a while. Really. Then I find out that he's come over from AAJ. I'd never have guessed it if he hadn't of let it out himself. Hey, he's a cool dude who knows how that the best way to get respect & love is to give it out your ownself, and don't be afraid that you don't have enough for that. Fear is it's own punishment, if you know what I mean. Now this pollock cat & this blewnoter guy, I'm sure that they're not idiots or anything, but they have yet to show me (and a lot of people here, apparently), any warmth, any congeniality, any indication that you'd want to hang with 'em. Strong opinions are not a problem here, nor is ego, nor is eccentricity. A stroll through the archives will prove that in not too much time. But what is a problem is giving off a vibe that you just can't laugh at yourself, or that you don't appreciate the lite side of life as much as you do the dark, or that if somebody calls you a punk ass bitch that you automatically think that it's an insult, because the notion of it being a joke is totally foreign to you, or...you know. Arguably, there's probably a broader range of knowledge here than on any other jazz board extant. We got players (of all levels and styles), and iof we don't enjoy jumping all over every theoretical issue and picking it apart, maybe it's because we've been there, done that, and don't want to use a chat board as our practice room. We got collectors, "industry insiders", and fans (and players, again) who have lived long lives deep inside this music who know that it's not about "music being your life", it's about "life being your music". We're heard a lot of records, some of us have played a lot of the tunes you hear on them, and we in no way confuse knowing the records with knowing the music, because that would be like thinking that just because you've seen every photograph of Marilyn Monroe, read every book about her, and maybe talked to a few people who knew her, that you Know Marilyn Monroe As Well As Anybody. Life don't work that way, therefore neither does music (unless you choose to inhabit a self-created Prison Of The Mind where it does....). And this is a community which collectively honors this far more often than not. It may well be our Bedrock Principle, in fact, although sometimes the bedrock is buried really, really deep down inside... All I'm saying is that this is a community, make no mistake. All are welcome, but not all are gonna fit in. It ain't your fault and it ain't ours. If you want what we got the way we do it, you're certainly welcome to c'mon in. If not, you can save everybody some major time by continuing your search for a place to call home. If you need time to decide, cool. Just don't act a fool while doing so.

Are you kidding? It's going great! Got a rehearsal with my band tonight, gigs are starting to get lined up, and we do nothing but 100% original jazz music. Recording a CD this summer. The music is already getting notice on the internet. Meanwhile I'm still working as a freelance musician, the money is good, the wife is lovely and we're both excellent cooks. Obama's won 10 in a row. Life is wonderful. You? I'm tired, but it's a good tired.

Yep.

A wise choice!

Yeah, dude, you gaze at that damn navel long enough and the lint just starts taking on a life of its own and it just gets all....creepy and shit after a while. Like there's littel furry people who live there that you can kinda see and kinda hear, but they never really materialize as anything other than a nagging internal distraction during sex. Yuck on that! We got a navel washing station here, first door on the right as you come in, last door on the left as you go out. No charge! Trust me - life with a clean navel means a lot of good things for you and for me!

It was a good show!

Ok. So, how's the career going?

Oh c'mon! There were serious replies and not one response from you. What, are you another one of these newly imported "lecturer" types like M-B? We're just supposed to sit there and listen at you? Sorry, I didn't get that memo.

One reason: He attracts trolls like like horse shit attracts flies. You know, I wonder if maybe it's not the other way around - horses love the flies so they go where they know there will be flies, and then leave their shit there in order to ensure that they stick around for a while. Do we have any experts here who can elaborate on this?

She's good enough to have been the Marian McPartland of her generation, that's what I think. Did you ever hear the Piano Jazz show she & CT did together? He called her a "marvellous colorist" or some such, and then made her giggle like a virgin when they played duets. I wonder if she knew... What do you think of Jimmy McPartland? I wonder what that bedroom was like...

That's Sir High Horse, if you will. Or High Horse, sir if you won't. These kids today, thay ain't got no manners, just mannerisms...

Some, not all. New Orleans Suite was the first "major work" to be released after Stray's death (surely you're read Dan Morgenstern's compelling down beat review of the time!) although if it was the first actually recorded or not, I don't know.

That deep down inside you know that I don't really have a horse (not even a pony!, and that even if I did, I wouldn't let it get high. C'mon now, tell the truth...

That's Larry Coryell quoting Duke Ellington. It's still a quote is it not? It's still Larry Coryell saying something, okay that's called a quote. Moving on.... Hell, I feel educated already! More, please!

So it's gonna be like that, eh? Self-appointed "expert" with little or nothing to back it up other than "I've done the research" - which means nothing more"I've listened to a lot of records & read a bunch of books and articles and liner notes" - pontificates full of sound and fury, signifying nothing, always with an excuse when others gon't respond with agreement. Hell, I don't think you're a Wynton fan, I think you are Wynton. Or at least a cousin. So hey, M-bitch, educate me. Motherfucking ED-U-CATE me!

That's Larry Coryell quoting Duke Ellington.

Does this mean that we'll never learn how voicing everything with a C7#9 chord is gonna invent jazz atonality? Say it ain't so!

Uh....most of the music I listen to/like/whatever isn't particularly "innovative" ("personal", yes, but innovative? Hell how many real innovators have there been?), but I still find Wynton a bore. Look man, if you dig him, cool. A lot of people do. But a lot of people don't, and believe it or not, for a lot of us, it all comes down to one thing - we just don't like the way he plays. period. All the other stuff makes for "good" (sic) debate fodder and such, but take all that away, and he still moves me and many others to tears of yawns. Myself, I'd respect your like of him a lot more if you didn't try to find "ulterior motives" in those of us who have next to no use for him. That's the mindset of a cultist, and since I'm twice your age and lived through the ascendency/etc of Mr. Marsalis, I've come across more than a few of them, thank you very much. There's always some "other" reason why "we" don't like him, becuase hell, he really is the shit, ya' know? It's never the simple fact thay we just don't like the way he plays, period. And please don't give me a lecture about how to listen to/appreciate/or otherwise encounter this music. You apparently know what you know - whatever that is, and iot seems to be a big bunch of records - but you don't know shit about what I know, so respect/recognize that or else kiss my motherfucking ass, you arrogant little boybitch. If you want it to be like that, we can make it like that. If you wanna do right, we can do that too. Your call.

You should hear Helen Merill's version of "Lonely Woman".

"Trumpet player"? Hey, no doubt a master. "Jazz Musician"? He becomes "greater" the more you apply his definitions of what "jazz" is, less so the more you don't. How convenient! Maybe "he" (meaning somebody who simplified/selectively codified/etc an idealized "tradition" for the purpose of stopping progress to keep the brand name "pure" lest it slip away and remain real and non-objectified by all the fetishists-in-waiting) was a historical inevitability. Ok, fair enough, but that's what the present is for - to get you into a future that gets you away from a past that don't work no more. I went.

Simple - because he's said a lot of shit that's simply not right, a lot of opinion not substantiated by fact. And then institutionalized it as "truth". And then got rich off it. And put a permanent deformity on the jazz marketplace & mindset in the process. Fortunately, there's a new generation coming along that seems to have little or no use for him and his "ideology". But the damage has been done. I'll not "debate" or otherwise discuss beyond this, because it's all here in the archives (and more than once). But that's why, and that's an answer to your question.

"Their own label" is, as I understand it, a licensing agreement w/Universal.

Yeah, itr really sucks that the technology does not exist for us to make the albums we buy play the way we want them to play.

Finessa sounds like a shampoo for mob moll supermodels.