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OK -- one more time. "Pimped out" (passive) doesn't mean the same thing as "pimping herself out" (active) or its equivalent; and I think the latter makes much more sense here. To take your example, yes if I did a tour for my book, I'd be "pimping" it, but if Chuck came along only because I told him that he had to and he was spouting lines that I told him he had to say, he'd be being "pimped out." Not at all the same thing. Sure, "in another generation or two, a news personality using Shuster's lingo will not be uncommon." But why has this cropped now, attached to this person? And yes, I understand your distinction as well. But the way the people who are using it are using it, that's waaaaay too much attention to detail. Again, my point here is not to argue for or against this, just to point it out. As to why it's "cropped now, attached to this person", hey - her dad was the First Mack President, remember... That, and shit just happens in its time. Don't ask me why, it just does. And honestly, Shuster has always struck me as somebody who was "secretly" as much Jimmy Kimmel (who, say what you will about him, apparently more than earns the right to tap Sarah Silverman, an accomplishment that inspires little but awe & respect here...) as he was Irving R Levine. That David Gregory's another one. Hell, MSNBC kinda seems like The Players Lounge just waiting to happen, if you know what I mean, & don't tell me that Nora O'Donnell ain't in on it either... "Clubhouse", sure, but such is life.

Hey, I hear you, believe me. But a big bunch of other people feel otherwise, that's all I'm saying.

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"Ambient" music at the house this week has (mostly) been Giuffre's Free Fall & the Lapis portion of Lacy's Scratching The Seventies. One thing that's struck me over the week is how differnt in "perspective" yet similar in "instrumental aesthetic" are both men's approaches to a capella soloing. Giuffre come on like the wide-eyed innocent who discovers all these...things you can do with the instrument besides play it "traditionally", whereas Lacy sounds as if he's both penetrated and been penetrated by the instrument to the point that "he" and "it" are demarcations of a physical, spiritual, and moral separateness that in actuality does not exist. And yet...one knows that Giuffre had to have gotten intimate with his instrument in order to relate to it at this level with such expertise, and we know that Lacy must have done a lot of "let's see what happens if I do this..." technical experimentation with his instrument in order to relate to it at this level with such intimacy. So, really, aren't we seeing a classic case of "the same thing, only different", and isn't that really a lot of what life really is, when you get right down to it? How we choose to "look at it", whatever "it" is, is at least as much a case of what we bring to it as it is what it brings to us. Just goes to show ya'!

Really, "pimped out" means nothing more these days than being put on conspicuous display to attract attention & money. Willfulness has nothing to do with it. If Larry did a tour for his book, he'd be "pimping" it, and if Chuck came along, he'd be "pimping out" for Larry. Never mind what you & I think/know/feek it to mean to us, that just ain't it, just as telling somebody they suck doesn't imply that they are fellatiatic in nature. It just doesn't. Trust me, in another generation or two, a news personality using Shuster's lingo will not be uncommon.

Oh, I've gotten "pimp" in my face from both my kids for almost 10 years now. Having seen the real deal "in action", I was appalled for years, and still don't cotton to the notion if I think about it too much. But it has become what it has become and it what it is, and all the righteous indignation in the world ain't gonna make it otherwise. Hell, when I was a teen, if you said "pissed off" in public, you were liable to get cuffed. Now it's routinely said everywhere (including public school classrooms, by instructors and administrators) and nobody bats an eye. Same with "suck" and a bunch of other stuff. "Pimp" is about halfway to the point to non-eyebrow raising status in general culture & "bitch" is past the point of no return. Don't like it? Can't say that it tickles my jimmy either. But good luck on doing anything about it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qpuc3bMc6ms...feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lx-TLugZDGY&NR=1

If he had, he shoulda been pimp slapped by Keith Olbermann! :tup :tup

And therefore all clubhouse-shaped behavior should get a pass? No, just a realistic assessment. Hell, we all live in clubhouses and pretty much all non-suckup or otherwise manipulative behavior is clubhouse behavior. Doesn't mean that propriety and respect and such aren't called for, but geez, saying that Chelsea Clinton is being "pimped out" for political expediency is pretty much true, and everybody knows it's true, and there's nothing intrinsically wrong with it being true. What strikes me as fucked up is the aghastitude of people who act like "pimped out" is a literal reference, like it's calling her a street whore (which would be disrespectful). Anybody who really believes that is...living in a different world than many other people, and anybody else who wants to take offense, all I can say is why? The pimping reference is to her role, not to her person. How out of touch does one have to be to not get that? And truthfully, I suspect that in most of our own personal clubhouses, we know it's truth, but are ashamed to admit that we have such clubhouses, for fear of losing public "moral position". Hey - fuck that. America is living in so many lies its not funny (well, actually it's damn funny...), and this is just one more.

The world is a collection of clubhouses.

Culture Dysfunctionality. Rightly or wrongly, the Pimp Metaphor doesn't "mean" the same thing to people of and under a certain age that it does to those who aren't. So who's the candidate that understands this? Is there one?

Prince Lasha - Recommended. I dig Prince Lasha. Sangrey is biased because he played with Prince Lasha. Not true, unfortunately. Never even met the man. The Gonsalez/Lasha stuff happened when I was living elsewhere.

http://www.dustygroove.com/browse.php?labe...&format=all + If not now, when? If not you, then who?

Well hell dude, get these too! I kid you not.

Dammit, are you through now? :g Nate Morgan - Get it. Get all that Nimbus West stuff. Broad, not deep, but as essential in that regard as anything is. Houston Person - It is what it is, so look at the names and make your call. Me, I dig it. Pieces Of Peace - Chicago stuff, on the road from The Pharoahs to Boscoe. If that makes sense (or if you want to know what it means), then yeah, go there. Prince Lasha - Recommended. I dig Prince Lasha. Lonnie Smith - I'm ambivalent about this one, but it does have Marvin Cabell. Mal Waldron(s) - Dude, Mal Waldron, ok? Mal Waldron.

Here's what I've heard & here's what I think: 1 - Dollar Brand - Recommended. The lineup tells you what it'll be. 2 - Philip Cohran & The Artistic Heritage Ensemble - Recommended, 60/40 historical/musical, very much a Chicago thing and hell yeah for that. 3 - Eddie Hazel - Yeah, ok and all that, but for me, very few P-Funk side projects hit with the power & focus of the main outfits, and this one is like that for me. But Eddie Hazel was a voice. 4 - Melvin Jackson - Oh hell yeah. Wacky in the best possible way. Very much a Chicago thing and extra hell yeah for that. 5 - Harold Johnson Sextet - Didn't work for me. Kinda like a formulized cross between Ramsey Lewis & Les McCann, and yes, that remark is dripping with irony and/or sarcasm, thanks for noticing. 6 - Eric Kloss - Yeah, sure, why not? Kloss is the weakest link on his own albums (at this stage anyway), but hell, with these supporting casts, hey... 7 - Life Force - A lot more "clubby" (i.e. - funk-oriented) than the description lets on, but the vibe is really, really good. Maybe it's because these are (were, actually, it's a 25 year old album...) young-ish players seemingly full of idealism and populism who apparently saw nothing wrong with "playing for the people" & "playing seriously", if only because for where they were at then, those were the same thing. There used to be a buttload full of bands like this in every urban area, and if this one is not a lot better than a lot of the others, oh well. This album made me feel good (and I don't mean "feel good") about some things and didn't make me feel bad about too much of anything. No doubt you can find a better deal, and when you do you should take it, but until then (and possibly even after), file this one under Documentary, Pleasant. 8 - Gil Melle - A lot of people are either indifferent or unfond of this album, and they are right. But you'll want it anyway. Trust me. Yes, soprano exclusively, and what the music lacks in "power" it makes up for in "deceptively original vision". Implication over actuality That's a fair trade if you ask me, at least in this case. The electronics are very basic but that's not the point. The point is - what the hell gets anybody even thinking along these lines in the first place?, and there, Dear Friends, is the answer to the question of What's In It For Me?. Now, if money's really tight, stick w/the Brand & the Jackson, the only two of the above for whom I feel that "context" and/or "back story" are not fundamental/crucial parts of their appeal. Maybe the Cohran stuff too, maybe. But otherwise, there it is AFAIC. None of these will deepen the pool, but they sure will broaden the hell out of it.

Careful, Chuck. Don't you have a Dell desktop, too? Have one each of the Dells. My unit has been a trooper but Ann's laptop is spitting blood. About a month ago I booted and got a bluescreen declaring "major malfunction" and about 4 pages of info I could not print (or commit to memory). At the end of the screen it said to reboot and if the same screen came back, say goodbye. The reboot worked but all processes take about 10 times longer now. Has she done a defrag?

My daughter's on the BIY kick lately, & although I definitely see the advantages, I don't ahve the geek skills to fix it myself when something goes wrong. But if I did, hell yeah, build it youself!

I know it's not a universally held opinion, but Dell desktops have been very very good to the Sangrey family. The one (only, and last) laptop we bought from them though... :rmad: :tdown :tdown

Video card & possibly motherboard seems to have fried after 5-7 years of heavy usage. Not bad, all things considered, we usually turn 'em over long before that. Ordering a new system soon (long overdue), borrowing our son's system as needed/as available in the interim. Not sure about HD loss yet, but no rush there - if it's good, it'll be there, and if it ain't it won't.