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    Why I hate Miles

    and ANOTHER thing... The whole "Miles=Vulnerability" equation is often overstated in my opinion. Sure, it's a psrt of his overall persona, but this whole "walking on eggshells" business tends to obscure the fact that Miles had one of the SHARPEST senses of time ever, and had an internal rhythm that couls only be upset by his own doings. This was a motherfucker who could lay out for a cuppla bars and pop one note in EXACTLY the right spot to kick the intensity level up a notch or two. Not for nuthin' did he always play with drummers who had no compunctions against playing harder than the law allowed - he played that hard himself, even if he broke it up into distinct segments rather than letting it all come out in a continuous flow like most others of his generation. (btw - this is not an "original insight". Gil Evans said much the same thing a long time ago.) Such confidence and assuredness is not usually the province of the emotionally delicate, or frail, or otherwise "vulnerable". The whole "tough on the outside/tender on the inside" thing is a part of the Miles Mystique. and is true as far as it goes, but I don't buy into it, because it doesn't go NEAR far enough. "Tender on the outside/tough on the inside" works every bit as well, and I defy anybody to find an instance where it can clearly be said that one is the obvious choice over the other, or that the two levels of the "interpretation" are the only two levels there are. I think when you get into "interpreting" the emotional content of Miles' music, you're doomed to a resolution in ambiguity, because by all accounts, this was one "complicated" individual who not only had a bunch of opposite tendencies at play internally, but was also one who made no attempt to resolve them either: Bisexual (rumored) vs. Pussyhound, Nice Guy vs. Total Asshole, Sensitive Lover vs. Wife Beater, Man Of The Street vs. Bourgeois Negro, you name it, if there's a conflict to be had, Miles probably not only had it, but played to it but publically and privately. I think it's this confluence of opposites (I can't really call them "conflicts", because I see no signs of them being anything other than welcomed by Miles) that makes the easy labelling such as "vulnerable" etc. fallacious and over simplistic. It might also explain why Miles is somebody that continues to "fascinate" many of those who are less than thrilled with his music - there is such an energy being created just by him being who he was that it's damn near impossible to ignore from a human standpoint. But that's the Miles Mystique, something that I acknowledge, but don't really fall for myself, not totally anyway. Ackowledging it, recognizing it, and attempting to define it are quite different than being drawn to the music because of it, and like I said, I find enough of substance and profundity in the music alone to discuss it on it's own terms, minus all the psychoanalysis/psychobabble. But where's the fun there?
  2. JSngry

    Why I hate Miles

    Well, to show you how different people hear different things in different ways, vulnerabilty is the LAST thing I hear in Monk. Go figure! And yeah, the earlier Prestige (and BN) sides DO show Miles often having chops issues (the date w/Rollins & Bird is particularly "painful" at times in this regard). But those are from his "frantic" years of out-of-control drug addiction and frequent periods of inactivity. So there's a "reason" why the chops are off there. But a solo like "Basin Street Blues" on SEVEN STEPS TO HEAVEN has all the "controversial" qualities in spades, and to me it is one of the most audacious solos Miles ever recorded - a tune that virtually defines "hoary" is redefined, reimagined, reharmonized, re-EVERYTHINGed, and presented with a total control and discipline that bespeaks a master saying exactly what he wants to say exactly how he wants to say it. Again, whether or not one "likes" it is purely a matter of personal taste, but geez Louise, how anybody can say that there's no control there is beyond me! (and I know that's not what you're saying John) You couldn't make "mistakes" like that in a million years!
  3. JSngry

    Why I hate Miles

    Ok... Miles' technique gets a lot of bad raps, and I think it's largely because of his tone. It's not a conventionally "brassy" trumpet tone, nor is it a traditonally "fat" one. It is what it is, and he spent so long with it, honing, refining it, and shading it, that my conclusion is that it's the tone he wanted and the tone he heard. There's certainly no indication that he wanted a different type of tone. If anything, his tone is the one thing that remained constant over the years. Although he showed a willingness to tweak it over the years as the need arose, its core qualities remained from beginning to end. Now as far as finger-dexterity and range goes, there's plenty of examples of Miles playing fluently in all ranges, as well as him popping out some high notes quite readily, throughout his career, so if one wants to say that the cat had "poor technique" or some such, one had best be prepared to say in exactly what regard. Because the fluency of, say, his appearance w/Dameron & Moody in Paris ca. 1949 and his various live bootlegs of the late 60s will refute most any notions that he couldn't play high and/or fast. You might have a case if you want to argue consistency of these aspects of his technique, but that's another argument altogether. I think what it all comes down to is intent, and where Miles differed from many a trumpeter, jazz or otherwise, is that he was first and foremost a sensualist on the instrument. His concern was often with PURE sound, PURE mood, PURE effect through manipulation of his instrument. So yeah, a lot of those cracks, waverings, etc. WERE intentional. But not all. The measure I use for what's intentional and what's a flub is more often than not timing - does the "event" occur in such a place and is it executed in such a way that is unfolds in a manner that sounds controlled, like the guy is creating an arc of "event" all the way through, from beginning to end. And far more often than not, the answer for me is "yes", and unambiguously so. Miles' true flubs tend to disrupt his flow, his timing. And timing is another thing that Miles was VERY much about - pinpoint accuacy of the placing of EVERYTHING, space included. His timing is amongst the most amazing in all jazz, because for me, the ante is upped considerably when you start leaving things OUT. When you lay out, you have to come back in, and doing so at exactly the right moment with exactly the thing you intend is a helluva lot harder (for me, anyway) than riding the groove and playing onward and upward, although both are certainly valid approaches in themselves. Now none of this is to say that Miles had chops of steel, or that he never flubbed notes, or that he was the greatest technician on his instrument in he history of the world, because those things are obviously not true. But I've heard the "Miles couldn't ever really play that good" line (from disparate sources) for decades now, and franky, I think it's a load of hooey. Although, like ANY brass player, when Miles didn't stay on his axe regularly, his chops showed it in no uncertain terms, I think in Miles we have an artist who nevertheless had the basics (and beyond) at their disposal whenever they wanted them (almost always, anyway - see the "layoff" aspect), but seldom did they actually have that specific want. Their aims were to utilize other elements of sound and technique to make a different kind of music within thier idiom on their specific instrument. Now, none of this is going to make you LIKE Miles, I know. If you're asking for somebody to give you a reason why you "should", I'm not your guy. Explain to ME why I should love Bill Evans, ok? Either there's a connection or there isn't, and all the logic in the world can't create one where none exists. I've got no problem with somebody saying, "I just don't get it". Well, ok, a lot of times I DO have a problem, but I am maturing that way, ok? The problem I have is when somebody confuses the subjective "I don't like it" with the objective "this cat can not play his/her instrument". And what I hear you saying is that for your taste, Miles does not play his instrument well enough for your tastes to convey his message successfully. Even though I would disagree 100 (or more) per-cent with that, I can't say you're "wrong" (although I damn sure WANT to ) because who am I to tell you what you should or should not feel? I can plead the case that Miles was an innovator and an artist of rare sensitivity and perception from now until the cows come back home to Capistrano and swallow ttheir cud in Sorrento, but if YOU don't "get it", what's the point? Like I said - convince me of why I should love Bill Evans, and then I'll work on you about Miles. But until then, let's leave well enough alone.
  4. JSngry

    Why I hate Miles

    lost for words Jim? That would be a novelty! Do I get a prize? No, not lost, and no prize. Just need time to collect myself and remember that you are a friend.
  5. JSngry

    Why I hate Miles

    Well...
  6. Doesn't matter to me one way or another.
  7. Stupid, Stupid, STUPID!!!!
  8. My daughter came home from the mall this afternoon with a button that says "I Loves Me Some Waffles". The phrase sounded "familiar" so I asked her where it was from. Well, she didn't know, and neither did my son nor his girlfriend. A Google search reveals that this phrase is maybe beginning to circulate amongst "the kids", but nobody seems to know its origin. Another Pop Culture Mini-Craze Phrase ala "All Your Base Are Belong To Us" seems to be brewing. Anybody who can provide a source for the origin of this phrase shall be my hero!
  9. Found today - MILES DAVIS & GIL EVANS: THE HISTORIC COLLABORATION IN WORDS AND MUSIC (CSK 8751), excerpts from the Miles/Gil box and some pretty lengthy interview segments w/Miles, Gil, Mulligan, Jarrett, Walter Bishop, Jr., Bob Belden, Phill Schapp, Roberta Flack, Frances Davis, etc. Haven't listened to it yet, and am expecting nothing at all revelatory, just radio-ready soundbites aimed at furthering the Miles Mystique And Resultant Sales, but it seemed like a neat thing for a geek like me to have, so I bought it at regular used prices. I'm just wondering if these promo items were widely (as far as this sort of thing goes) distributed by Sony, or if it's a true rarity (which does not mean it's valuable, I know). Anybody seen one of these things?
  10. Yeah, how that Hines band seemingly remained COMPLETELY undocumented is on of the biggest mysteries in the history of the world as far as I'm concerned. Something's just wrong with that picture. RE: Wes/Trane, I'm pretty sure one of the hardest of the hardcore collectors on one of these boards, and a reliable source at that, mentioned having heard the tape. So I myself am in the "convinced it exists" camp.
  11. Well, some do, but most of us just want to be able to play music that is pleasurable at some level for an income that is adequate at some level. When the only way to approach the latter is to forsake the former, damn right frustration and bitterness sets in. "But aren't MOST jobs like that? Doesn't EVERYBODY have to suck it up and do stupid shit just to make their nut?", you say. Well, yeah, that would seem to be the case, if the increasing popularity of cynicism in all/most levels of popular culture is any indication. So Menza's rant is right in line with mainstream society, even if his musical ambitions aren't, an irony that probably just pours another can or three of gasoline on his internal fire. I've never met Menza or worked with or around him, but stories of his ultra-"Type A" personality are legion, so this kind of a Farewell Fuck You seems right in line with his character. I don't know that I'd go public with it either, but the points that he makes are one that most every working musician feels from time to time, with the feelings coming more frequently and stronger the deeper into the world of high-profile "commercial" music (shows, revues, etc.) you go. It's not a world I've aspired to myself, having had the good sense (mental, not financial) to avoid it like the plague after getting a taste of it early on. But I've got plenty of friends who either go back and forth between that world and the world of "real music", and a few who either want or need the financial security it brings, and who have gone into it 100%. I tell you this, and you can believe it or not - there is a BIG world of difference between Don Menza ranting about playing shows, pit gigs, whatever, at the expense of playing jazz in order to make a living wage and Joni Mitchell (god bless her, though) ranting about the decrepit state of The Music Industry Today. "Selling Your Soul" is a melodramatic concept to be sure, but it is also a reality we all face when we need some bucks and the options at hand are few. Most of us adjust and set about getting the biggest payment for the least merchandise, and we tell ourselves, true or not, that we have enough of our soul in reserve that selling a little bit of it here and there won't hurt TOO much. But the level of work that Menza is talking about is an entirely different world than that of local wedding bands and Top 40 gigs. He's talking about a level of work that presents its own dynamic, music and professionally, and believe me, the clowns are running the circus (again, not too much dofferent than any other field these days, but there you go). My personal feeling is that Menza could probably live OK doing club, concert, and festival work when he wanted too, but perhaps his aforemenetioned personality won't let him. His drive is fierce, from what I hear, and his standards are incredibly high, both musically and professionally. I haven't heard about him being "difficult" business-wise, but I have heard that he suffers neither fools nor non-perfection gladly musically. Good for him, but it ain't that kind of business, and it damn sure ain't that kind of world. And it's a fact that a lot of players who get bruised enough end up in management, so..... Nevertheless, his points are good ones, all of them, so pull out a copy of "Groovin' Hard" @ your next rehearsal band rehearsal, and have a sweat and a smile. Especially if you're a sax player.
  12. BGP is a British company, I think, that has been issuing some of the Fantasy holdings.
  13. Where's the Funkadelic scan?
  14. I've not heard the Trane/Wes thing, but I seem to remember somebody posting here (or somewhere) that they had, and that the sound quality was extremely poor, but that the holder of the tape still wanted an exhorbitant fee to let it out. Ayler/Taylor was part of the Ayler tree material that circulated last year, and might be slated for inclusion in the upcoming(?) set that Revenant(?) has planned. But it does exist, and has been circulated.
  15. Better start the washing machine, because Wes/Trane & Ayler/Taylor exist.
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