Mr. Bassman

I try to imagine this

ok, I buy one Michael and one Gibbs from here and more http://www.toene.at/uajo/ Yes, this is not that bad, as the scotsmen would say.... but... there is still a secret.... MG made the arrangements, but for our tune here (and for another tune, too), he made only an adaption, this secret can not be found on the linkes pages... it is in the liner notes of the CD (they take an extra page only for that specific infomation) and that Info was another reason to choose this tune, i had not expected this. Maybe it could be unmasked by you or anyone else ???

I have to answer immediately.... YES !

I guess I know where to look at... need to search a bit. EDIT: mhh, I cannot find Charlie Mariano playing baritone Sax with Ilg which could make that the answer to who's playing on track 4... would have been a nice try. Isn't there a new CD of that Ilg&Mariano duo out since summer ? Maybe its from there. Oh, this Ilg-research seams to be really difficult.... no Ilg on track 4. I don't know this new recording you mention, maybe i will look forward to that one. keep on searching.... with regards Mr. Bassman

This is for Tjobbe Yes, this is the right statement, but who made it and who is the bass-player? Yes, the lady is well recognized. .... maybe it is a big mistake ... i would say.... you are on a hot track! But i think... there is a lot of respect for that tune.... This is the right version not the Mister M. version And if you would know, who arranged that version ! No ECM and no Charlie Haden. This is a really nice piece, and it is a surprise, too..... because i know for what reason this recording was made (.... maybe a kind of a hint ???? ... just kidding... ) Okay.... try again and ensure yourself (already it is not Bird, that's clear) You are right with the impression, no Pohjola.... and it is no 70-ties recording (right, Nate ??) No, it is not Haden nor Quartett west. I thought, you could recognize this ..... I'm sure, you have this... but look carefully into the liner notes about the bass-playing.... you will see that there are indeed two persons for one of the three instruments.... No GRP and no Pattitucci, well this tune seem not to be liked very much since now..... Well..... hmmmmm.... how should i say.... disturbing violin is a good track for an intensive research to this tune.... and ... if you would know the whole thing, this kind of a crazy version makes sense (okay... for me indeed). Maybe i should have choosen another track.... but no clue at this moment. I want your claps to the forehead when it will be "demasked". Aha. Difficult ??? hmmm... Sorry Tjobbe..... No. They would like to hear THAT ! but more serious.... No not MPS and no OP or NHØP. Can you recognize the tune, it is a bit tricky.... but there is a main theme on that recording. When i discovered this, i had a lot of fun during the first listening.... and i left all aside (kitchen work, vaccuum-cleaning, fixing the bridge in case of new strings etc.) and listened without a brake and allowed no disturbance (phone-ringing ignored...). Ahhhh, that is interesting.... the "bit pop'ish" gives you a sort of a trackline..... but... no ACT and no Landgren at all. I checked the label.... no connection to ACT. But i want to say a bit to this work.... he is a serious candidate for the "you-must-know"-musician-"roster". No Abercrombie here Hey, tjobbe, that was a nice research! I have checked that with the composer, yeah, that is right! Should we give taht as a clue to the others ? but... there is still the big question... WHO is this ??? ... not that far away..... (okay, my hints are loussy !).... and, i think, a very nice interpretation (okay, some overdub here). with regards Mr. Bassman

This is the comment post to Duriums statements Thanks for the compliment. Indeed, it is not Charles Mingus, but i am nearly sure, the bass-player will appreciate your impression. No, it's not the Miller Sextet Yes, a solid big band. At least 17 musicians. No, not Joshua Redman That is interesting ! Brubeck could do such things, but this one is no Brubeck at all No, not George Mraz. You like this one ? No, not Lionel, but he likes him, i think. No, but another musician will appreciate this! That would be too easy, no, it is not Pat, but maybe the musician is inspired by Pat. with regards Mr. Bassman

Ahhhh! The first one has entered the uncharted land of CD2. Thank you Durium. As a rehearsal was canceled, i have some spare time.... this is the chance for some comment-lines.... Sometimes it has to be easy... There were some 3 minutes space on the CD.... and i thought, a familiar track would be nice for all of us. I can immagine, that not all know this stuff.... therefore.... Durium earns the credits.... it is naturally the original in this case, no imitation. Hope, you all enjoy this tune. I think it's a great opener..... particular to the songs starting with track 12... No, it is not the Willem Breuker Kollektief nor Mondriaan Strings. But you give me a good idea for a (maybe) next BFT in several months or should i say years ? Well.... it has to do something with classical music, that is true, but... they don't play in a free way. There is a composer for that. Okay, accepted , but that was not my aim. As i said in the preface, there is a special reason, why these tunes are in the BFT, but not to annoy you.... i would have other stuff for that accepted ! Interesting question! This could/should be discussed in an extra thread, I think there are several people, who play jazz with this intruments. .... but it could depend on the personal sight to the theme, what is Jazz and what is not Jazz. But back to the tune.... you like it or not ??? and who is that bass-player ??? Very good !!!! This was a kind of an ulterior motive, why i choosed that tune from the CD. I thought this is a nice closer for the BFT. But.... who is it ? with regards Mr. Bassman

I think the quotation encoding has an upper limit, like the number of smilies you can use in a posting (I discovered this...). Now, back to "work" No, it is not Ilg on #15. but maybe he is elsewhere ?!? #13 Yes, i know, I wanted to underline your statement, maybe my formulation was missleading. Your attention will increase, the more you listen, there are very interesting things to discover. with regards Mr. Bassman

Thanks for the nice words, Michael! I hope, we will get some time for our work-sessions But here a few comments.... Listen carefully to the words.... the writing is different. But i put it on the wishlist! That's it ! nothing to be said ... but can you remember the arranger ? I can't give you a clue, there are still a lot of participiants out there, but when you stroll along the CDs for preparing a BFT, there are often some "unheard" ones .... we never had this one in our work-sessions. I am sure, you know that tune! This one was on my list for our next work-sessions, but.... as you know about our time (better our "we-have-no-time" ) .... you had to wait for this until this BFT Well done, no ECM at all. Maybe i choosed the wrong tune... but no more hints now. Yes, you know, who this is, but do you know the other bass-player ? I can't say anything to this at this moment .... but... is it really THAT bad ??? This is funny, but i think, they wanted that tune in exactly that kind of interpretation, but ... I give you a big grin concerning to that violinist .... nothing more.... For sure, you know this, you gave me that advice, to put them into the BFT.... some months ago I am unable to confirm the Bill-Evans-school, because i don't know it. It is not Enrico. Do you have an idea, who wrote this title ? And... for more mouthwatering.... the whole CD is fine and exciting.... It IS on the list.... ... try again .... Nils is definitely not in this group. Definitely a great musician, wrong... all are great musicians. I hope, someone will recognize them, ... no ... I'm sure.... there must be one ... or two... . .???....???..........??? . .????.....??..????...????....???..???. . .???..???..??? mikeweil ??? ???. ???? .... THAT cloudy ? . .??? ????? ??? ?? ?? ??. . .????. . . . . .????. ... normally this is Mr. Bassman's theme, when mikeweil rummages in his treasure-box and grins at me: ... "you must know this bass-player..." ... I hope, you others can imagine, what fun this is, when we two meet for that sessions. .... but, finally to this posting, i can't give any clues now Sorry for that smilie: but THAT was my first reaction.... i put you on the ice rink Okay, some facts: It is not from the german folk archive... it is well known in Germany. And the bass-player is not a countryman. I think you will smack your head, when the answer is publicated. Yes, I am waiting for this, it is still uncharted lands .... with regards and get well soon ! Mr. Bassman P.S. ... don't know, why the quote-system does not work.... maybe too much ??? Therefore i coloured it... and cloudmaking is not that easy

No, it's simply that I found the track entertaining! Yeah, I should have thought twice about calling this "Arabic" in its influence! My favourite album of the ones I've heard is the solo disc Canvas in Quiet which is mostly Corsican in inspiration... a little like some of the folksong material on Ran Blake's Compleat vol 2.... -- If you like YY, check out the Dutch pianist Michiel Braam, who is a YY fan (you can hear the influence quite strongly at times on his trio album Colors). Thank you for the references, as i discovered YY only some weeks ago, I am not very familiar with his work. I will look forward for that solo disc. And the dutch pianist is on my research list, too. The other name Ran Blake is unknown to me, too.... well, that's the good thing with the BFTs .... always new ideas and unknown musicians! Back to the #6: The interesting thing for me about that tune was, that he did not adapt that music, he took it as an inspiration-source. The rhythm of this tune is of that area but it is no original riff and no original rhythmic-pattern. He transfered it into the "west" (you know, what I mean, I should take another direction-word ), i mean western music.... When he starts his solo, the first phrases sound like a typical melodic phrase of this music, but it is not a quotation ( I'm not quite sure, but my sources tell me, that this is no original melody, as far as they know), it is more a reflection of listening or experiencing that kind of music and he has to do a transformation to the piano, an unknown instrument inside that culture. And it invites to do, what the title says ... (second word) with regards Mr. Bassman P.S. I apologize my english.... I have very little practice and sometimes the dictionary is not that extensive, but practice her in the board will increase my knowledge and experience.

As you can see, the discussion threads are set up and the last delivery is on the way. There are still some packages on the way, but hopefully they will arrive soon. with regards Mr. Bassman

Ahhhh... the first impressions! Nice work, Nate! I wait for the more tk ! But i like to make some comments ... you know, who they are ? I thought, this tune is the right opener for the Mr. Bassman-BFT. Originally it was #2..., but then i rediscovered this one. And the reason for the rediscovering was a thread in this Forum, when i was strolling around. How can one be that correct originally this was my first draft for the opener, because of that specific line.... but for the singer, too. Normally i'm not very interested in singing and singers at all, but our well-known mikeweil convinced me during one of our personal BFTs we do from time to time. I like CC very much... and this means a lot for me. he he.... this tune was one of the first jazzy things i heared in my life... my mother was fan of the performing band and had a record... i think, i listened to this tune, when i was in the womb. But naturally not this version. The original arranger for that version is well-known !!! It was only adapted for that band... maybe this is a clue ... well, sometimes a tune with less sparks can be beautiful And a BFT needs some contrast This tune is in the BFT for several reasons, one is a sad one. The sound balance is not very well, but the bass-player has this kind of sound in those days. He used a magnetic pickup for amplification during the live-perfomances and i have the impression, that he used this system on the recording, too. Normally the record label is well known for the sound .... #8, for example, is issued on the same label. And the drummer is a very special "problem" .... ... according to the sound. I think, the recording shows, how they really sound on stage in those days, beside it is a studio recording. You are absolutely right, but .... don't say "arabic music" in this case, i know, what you mean, but the title of this song is right. These people are no arabs, they would't be pleased, if you call them arabs. but, beside this special theme, I am very glad that you recognized YY immedately! I discovered him some weeks ago and was very pleased to listen to his music. more to be said in the answer-thread ! I can imagine, that the vibes-player like your adaption. In the signing-up thread for BFT #42 are two guys who recognized this person already, but for them... it was not that difficult. Yes, it is a working band and i will tell them, that you like it. I know, this is no clue at all. with regards Mr. Bassman

This is the place for CD #2. This CD is a bit different... there are some tunes, which belong to the "normal" theme of the BFT (it is a continuation of CD#1)... i think ... track 1 to 10 for sure. Track 11 is a special tribute to an instrument.... hope you like it And.... then there are more "obscure" tunes ... track 12 to the end.... another specific theme indeed, a bonus theme i should say ... This part of the BFT was the most work for me.... the list of the not-used-tracks is really big.... I will tell you in the answer-thread, what was on the shelf.... but at last i decided to extend the "normal" BFT-theme... maybe there is a chance for a second draft for another BFT later (in 2008 ??? i presume? ) Okay, this should be enough for the preface.... it's your turn.... and I wait for you with regards Mr. Bassman

since the first packages have reached the recipients, we start the discussion thread, here for CD #1 CD #1 : there is a kind of a theme, but not that clear and specific.... and it is not an instrument . My nickname stands as a godfather for some of the tracks, but that's not the theme. It is obvious that Mr. Bassman will have an eye on the bass.... because... listen to the first track Okay, it is your turn... I wait for your statements, opinions, guesses and whatever with regards Mr. Bassman

also registered, maybe we can start this evening (european-time)

registered

Okay, i noticed it, you are the first out of Europe... and i've got a request for round#3 with regards Mr. Bassman

... me neither ... but i have to ..... later I had not expected, that they are that well-known ... and ... to disc#2 there have to be made some statements when i start the discussion, because of the special theme (actually tunes 12-16) , but number 1-11 includes some familiar stuff, isn't it ??? with regards Mr. Bassman

@mikeweil: Okay, I will do this (in complete 3 sets). I think, the not-european-recipients will get the CDs about the middle of next week... just, when we meet , maybe we start the discussion on tuesday/wednesday/thursday... depends on the delivery. Here some hints for you...., as you have heard the pre-CD#1.... i changed the CD#1 a little bit... beside the nice tune we talked about... i've got a better intro-piece, i think you will like it ! .... and the special theme (parts on CD#2) is a bit different, not the theme, but the tunes.... and if you start listening to CD#2 i would like to watch you.... for the big grin .... i could not resist in doing this, as i changed the tracklist and recognized, that there is a bit of extra-time on the CD. But i can't be more specific..... (mouthwatering ??? ... ehhh.. ...ear-watering ???) @tjobbe and king ubu: thanks for the message, i marked it on the list. I hope, you like it (a bit ???). with regards Mr. Bassman

round#2 is on the way with regards Mr. Bassman

Here is another candidate, i would add Charly Antolini as one of my least-fav-drummers to the list.

Okay, Round#1 is finished, the CDs are on the way. Please inform me, when you receive them. and.... If shit can happen, ... shit happens When i returned from post-office, i got another member-request. So there will be a round#2! dutchmanx is already registered and i will collect and wait till Saturday for a round #2. with regards Mr. Bassman

No. 13 has entered just in time! I'm now on my way to the post-office, but.... if there are more participiants still in the waiting position... it is never too late... send me a PM and you still get a package. with regards Mr. Bassman

Now we are 12! I just added Hardbopjazz. In Germany it is now about 11p.m. and in the morning I will send the CD-packs to you all. If anybody wants to join... it is not too late. And if there will be some stragglers, no problem! ( I hope i got the right word out of my dictionary, in german it means "Nachzügler"). with regards Mr. Bassman

Thank you all, another 4 added to the shelf. Now we are 11 ! I will keep open the "normal" sign-up-process until Wednesday and start the regular sending at Thursday (because I have to purchase the discpacks and Wednesday is a holiday in my area). ... an update to a post 2 days ago.... Disk #2 is finished now with regards Mr. Bassman