Bright Moments Posted May 18, 2005 Report Share Posted May 18, 2005 (edited) about 2 months ago i finally saw the eastwood movie "Bird." i have seen various comments about how inaccurate the movie was, how "charlie didn't hold his horn that way" etc. since seeing the movie i went on a bird reading spree, which continues to date. remember that the scene in the movie, where a young charlie is going to a "cutting contest" and when he is about play the drummer tosses a cymbal which crashes to the floor. an embarrassed charlie, having been "gonged" rushes off the stage! well, i recently learned (to my surprise) that this actually occurred! here's the quiz: can you name the drummer who threw the cymbal? B-) Edited May 30, 2005 by Bright Moments Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie Posted May 18, 2005 Report Share Posted May 18, 2005 Easy! Too easy! Papa Jo did it! It's history now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bright Moments Posted May 18, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2005 man brownie, right outta the box! yep, jo jones did it! i wonder if he made amends later on. and while we are speculating, whatever happened to Rebecca Ruffing? B-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie Posted May 18, 2005 Report Share Posted May 18, 2005 Rebecca Ruffing helped Gary Giddins when he worked on his 'Celebrating the Bird' 1987 book. Don't know any further. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolff Posted May 18, 2005 Report Share Posted May 18, 2005 Brownie, would you like to lead the Bird Lore festivities? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bright Moments Posted May 18, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2005 more queries! was charlie's son named "baird" or "laird"? i've seen references to both names. what ever happened to him? did any of charlie's children ever play any instruments? did doris and chan ever make peace? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free For All Posted May 18, 2005 Report Share Posted May 18, 2005 (edited) I can't confirm if this is true, but I have no reason to believe it's not. When I was living in Austin (late 80s) I had the opportunity to hang and play with the great bassist Gene Ramey who claimed to have played on the very session where Papa Jo tossed the cymbal. At that time (late 80s), Mr. Ramey had been living in "retirement" in Austin, but was coerced to come out and play by some local musicians. What a treasure of stories and knowledge he was! Perhaps one of our resident historical experts could confirm or debunk this story. Mr. Ramey was not one given to fabricating tales, so I'm inclined to believe him until proven otherwise. Edited May 18, 2005 by Free For All Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stereojack Posted May 18, 2005 Report Share Posted May 18, 2005 was charlie's son named "baird" or "laird"? i've seen references to both names. what ever happened to him? His full name was Charles Baird Parker. He once sent a letter to Down Beat setting the record straight. Don't know what happened to him, but Bird's oldest son Leon, born in Kansas City, was a barber, and passed away within the last couple of years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Posted May 18, 2005 Report Share Posted May 18, 2005 Ok, Bird fans, on what cd does Bird's son appear on and what song did he make a contribution on? Hint, it was vocal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted May 18, 2005 Report Share Posted May 18, 2005 Was it on one of Kim's sides? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted May 18, 2005 Report Share Posted May 18, 2005 GOT IT! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Posted May 18, 2005 Report Share Posted May 18, 2005 Give that man with a saxophone a kewpie doll! This a very nice cd by the way and when the kid does Salt Peanuts, it cracks you up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie Posted May 18, 2005 Report Share Posted May 18, 2005 Perhaps one of our resident historical experts could confirm or debunk this story. Mr. Ramey was not one given to fabricating tales, so I'm inclined to believe him until proven otherwise. In an interview with François Postif that was published in the March 1962 issue of Jazz Hot, Gene Ramey recounts the incident. He mentions that the full Basie band was playing at the Reno club that night and nobody dared to join and jam. Bird had been standing near the bandstand for a while. Ramey says that he took out his saxophone which was in a wrapping bag and started to play. Ensemble playing went OK but when his turn came to solo, everything went wrong. Jo Jones decided he had heard enough, took off one of his cymbal and threw it above Parker's head. It crashed noisefully on the floor. A confused Parker stopped playing and cleared away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bright Moments Posted May 30, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2005 did bird ever get to play with his idol lester young? do any recordings exist? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Fitzgerald Posted May 30, 2005 Report Share Posted May 30, 2005 Two JATP concerts were recorded and issued. WKCR-FM is sure to play these on the day between Young and Parker's birthdays. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bright Moments Posted May 30, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2005 Two JATP concerts were recorded and issued. WKCR-FM is sure to play these on the day between Young and Parker's birthdays. Mike ← were the JATP's the first (and only) times bird played with prez? i am curious about how they first played together. whether bird was still in awe of his idol or if some of prez's luster had faded. by all accounts prez was a tough one to cozy up to, i would imagine it was especially hard for bird to get close to him seeing as how his star was rising while prez was on the downslide! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie Posted May 31, 2005 Report Share Posted May 31, 2005 Charlie Parker and Lester Young appear together on three of the JATP concerts: - January 28, 1946 in LA - April 22, 1946 in LA - September 18, 1949 at Carnegie Hall All three concerts were included in the Verve 10CD Bird box and in the Verve 10CD JATP 1944-1949 box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EKE BBB Posted May 31, 2005 Report Share Posted May 31, 2005 Even there´s a 2 CD release, by your favorite Spanish-Andorran label, called "Charlie Parker & Lester Young. The complete JATP Performances" (2000) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bright Moments Posted June 2, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2005 Even there´s a 2 CD release, by your favorite Spanish-Andorran label, called "Charlie Parker & Lester Young. The complete JATP Performances" (2000) ← ← thanks! i just ordered it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bright Moments Posted June 2, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2005 do any of our experts know how bird and dizzy first met and whether they were as good friends as it appears from media accounts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie Posted June 2, 2005 Report Share Posted June 2, 2005 Diz and Bird met in 1941 when Gillespie came through Kansas City with the Cab Calloway Orchestra. Parker was with Jay McShann's band at the time. Fellow McShann musicians Buddy Anderson and Orville Minor introduced Gillespie to Parker. Diz and Bird were together from December 1942 when they both were in Earl Hines's band. The two were with Hines for several months. A tragedy that the Hines aggregation was never recorded during their association because of the record ban. About their friendship, Gillespie is quoted in Bob Reisner's book 'Bird: The Legend of Charlie Parker': 'We were always frends. Sometimes I would beat his brain out in chess, but there was never any real ill feeling between us. Whenever we met we used to kiss on the mouth. People want to believe there was animosity. The press likes it. It makes good copy... ...The last timeI saw him was shortly before I left for Europe. We were sitting in Basin Street. He spoke about us getting together again. He said it in a way that implied ''... before it's too late''. Unfortunately, it was already too late. If it had happened, it would have been the greatest.' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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