Guest akanalog Posted September 18, 2006 Report Posted September 18, 2006 i am wondering if anyone can give me any positive information on these discs- two of them are ted daniel discs. one is called "in the beginning" and it seems to have a who's who of musicians on it (charles tyler, oliver lake, david murray) but not much useful information on the packaging about dates or who plays on what tracks. the second one is a live ted daniel disc from 1970 called maybe just "ted daniel sextet" or something. i can't find much information online besides one positive review for "in the beginning". the charlie haden disc is called "helium tears" and looks to be from 1988 and has a weird group of musicians including, if i remember, jay clayton and jerry granelli and ralph towner (only on synth) and maybe julian priester? among others. sounds like a lost ECM session but i dunno. not much information on this one either. thank you for any input. Quote
Head Man Posted September 18, 2006 Report Posted September 18, 2006 Yes, I have the two Ted Daniel CDs. Both became available about three months ago and I believe Ted Daniels himself was responsible for getting them released. 'In the beginning' was recorded at Studio WE, NYC on April 12 & May 21, 1975. It is issued on the 'Altura Music' label. Since it has a number of ALT1 I assume that it is the first and only release. The two tracks from the April session are 'Hassan' & 'Illusions' and feature: Oliver Lake (alto sax) Arthur Blythe (alto sax) David Murray (tenor sax) Charles Tyler (baritone sax) Hassan Dawkins (soprano sax) Kappo Umezu (alto sax, bass clarinet) Richard Dunbar (french horn) Melvin Smith (guitar) Ted Daniel (trumpet) Tatsuya Nakamura (percussion) The two tracks from the May session are 'Folley' & 'Greeting' and feature: Danny Carter (tenor sax) Charles Tyler (baritone sax) Charles Stephens (trombone) Hassan Dawkins (soprano sax) Kappo Umezu (alto sax, bass clarinet) Richard Dunbar (french horn) Melvin Smith (guitar) Ahmed Abdullah (trumpet) Ted Daniel (trumpet) Richard Pierce (bass) Steve Reid (trap drums) Tatsuya Nakamura (percussion) It's a typical 1970's 'free' recording - if there is such a thing. You know, some ensemble work and plenty of riffs, solos and group improvisation. I would say that if you know the players concerned then you will know what to expect and won't be disappointed. I like it! The second recording has a title of 'Ted Daniel' on the front and 'Ted Daniel Sextet' on the back of the cover - so take your choice. It's on the Ujamaa Records label and look 'home-made'. It was recorded on October 15, 1979 at St Pauls's Chapel, Columbia University and has five tracks - 'Congratulations', Pagan Spain', 'O.C.' , 'The Kicker' & 'Otis' Song'. It features: Ted Daniel (trumpet, flugelhorn, french hunting horn & Moroccan bugle) Otis Harris (alto sax) Hakin Jami & Richard Pierce (basses) Kenneth Hughes & Warren Benbow (percussion) Again, it's a free blowing session and reminds me very much of some of the 1960's ESP recordings like The Noah Howard Quartet etc. Again, it is well worth buying if you like that kind of music. I seem to remember that that neither of the titles were widely available. Cadillac Records in the UK were advertising them both but I got mine from Downtown Music Gallery in NYC. Quote
clifford_thornton Posted September 18, 2006 Report Posted September 18, 2006 (edited) I'd like to get In the Beginning; don't have it. I bet it's great, though. I have the (legit) reissue of the Sextet, and it smokes! Ted Daniel Review at AAJ Edit for Head Man's post: Definitely got to get In the Beginning - those bands are out of control! Umezu is the shit... Edited September 18, 2006 by clifford_thornton Quote
mikeweil Posted September 18, 2006 Report Posted September 18, 2006 (edited) the charlie haden disc is called "helium tears" and looks to be from 1988 and has a weird group of musicians including, if i remember, jay clayton and jerry granelli and ralph towner (only on synth) and maybe julian priester? among others. sounds like a lost ECM session but i dunno. not much information on this one either. I have a CD on ITM Pacific 970055, One Day At A Time, released in 1990, with the following: Jerry Granelli - drums, electronic percussion (and probably the leader of the date) Ralph Towner - synth - 1,2,3 Charlie Haden - bass - 3,4,7 Julian Priester - trombone - 3,4 Robben Ford - guitar - 3,4,6,7 Denny Goodhew - alto sax, bass clarinet - 1,2,4,5 Recorded at London Bridge Studios A, between November 21st and 25th 1988 by Rick Parashar, with Don Gilmore assistant engineering Produced by Jerry Granelli and Steve Brooks 1. Point of Departure (Granelli) 2. Life Line (Granelli) 3. One Day at a Time (Granelli / Haden) 4. Helium Tears (Goodhew) 5. Until Now (Goodhew) 6. City Life (Granelli) 7. 23rd & Cherry (Granelli) This is a German label - they released a total of two Granelli CDs from these sessions with similar personnel. The other was titled "Koputai". Edited September 18, 2006 by mikeweil Quote
Guest akanalog Posted September 18, 2006 Report Posted September 18, 2006 mike-that's it. well, how is? do you like it? Quote
clifford_thornton Posted September 18, 2006 Report Posted September 18, 2006 ITM also issued the Kent Carter String Trio's Wilisau Suites, since reissued on Emanem. That's a beautiful record... Quote
Guest akanalog Posted September 18, 2006 Report Posted September 18, 2006 i actually saw both ted daniel discs at a tower records by lincoln center! one was even featured in a display with other "avant" jazz discs. Quote
clifford_thornton Posted September 18, 2006 Report Posted September 18, 2006 I sort of have to quit looking at that lineup on the first Daniel CD - it's giving me the shakes! Quote
mikeweil Posted September 18, 2006 Report Posted September 18, 2006 mike-that's it. well, how is? do you like it? I'm just listening to a beautiful Priester solo on track 3 - I bought these for him, and for Towner, whose synth I like only on other people's records It's some type of free form jam session type music with fusion leanings, but some nice written themes. They have their weak points, but also moments of great beauty and intesity. Granelli's electronic sounds are a little too loud for my taste, but that's partly due to them being probably recorded by direct input - when there's only the drum set the balance is okay. Goodhew plays a very nice Maupinish role on these sessions - an underrated player, IMO. Yes, I like it, and Koputai as well - I wouldn't sell them when I was forced to reduce my collection. The CD you asked for is titled One Day At A Time, I forgot to mention that. Quote
Guest akanalog Posted September 18, 2006 Report Posted September 18, 2006 mike it is now titled "helium tears" and credited to charlie haden! Quote
ep1str0phy Posted September 18, 2006 Report Posted September 18, 2006 Seriously--that's knocking my ass out. Looks like a trip to the bank... Also--nice to see Hakim Jami and Richard Pierce on the second session--two names I don't really hear from (I can't even recall the last time I did)... Re: Granelli album... every time I see Robben Ford's name, I twitch a bit. My middle school/high school guitar teacher used to freak out about that guy--fun player (covered Blues Connotation, I believe), but I just couldn't get past the gloss... Quote
mikeweil Posted September 18, 2006 Report Posted September 18, 2006 mike it is now titled "helium tears" and credited to charlie haden! That's weird because Haden is only on three tracks - or did they assemble all the tracks with him from both albums? Quote
Guest akanalog Posted September 18, 2006 Report Posted September 18, 2006 CHARLIE HADEN In The Moment Koputai I Could See Forever Julia's Child One Day At A Time Helium Tears 23rd & Cherry Charlie Haden - bass Ralph Towner - synth (1-5) Jerry Granelli - drums, synth Robben Ford - guitar Julian Priester - trombone (1-6) Jay Clayton - vocal (2,4) Denny Goodhew - alto sax (1-4, 6) Recorded in Seattle in 1988. looks like they combined the haden tracks, no? you tell me. maybe it is a totally different session but i see some tracks are on both. Quote
mikeweil Posted September 18, 2006 Report Posted September 18, 2006 (edited) They did compile all the tracks with Haden from both CDs: Charlie Haden / Helium Tears 1.* In The Moment 2.* Koputai 3.* I Could See Forever 4.* Julia's Child 5. One Day At A Time 6. Helium Tears 7. 23rd & Cherry Tracks marked * are from Koputai! Both CDs were recorded at these sessions Granelli organised, with shifting personnel. Jay Clayton was heard only on the Koputai CD. I like 'em both - they sum up to 100 minutes which of course is too much for one CD. Edited September 18, 2006 by mikeweil Quote
Guest akanalog Posted September 18, 2006 Report Posted September 18, 2006 so would you say this is a good purchase, mike? Quote
mikeweil Posted September 18, 2006 Report Posted September 18, 2006 If you can't get the separate CDs at a good price - someone at amazon.de wants 39 EURO for a used copy of One Day At A Time, which is ridiculous! How much do you have to pay for Helium Tears? There are copies of it for only 4 EURO at amazon.de .... I wonder if Granelli approved. Quote
clifford_thornton Posted September 18, 2006 Report Posted September 18, 2006 Seriously--that's knocking my ass out. Looks like a trip to the bank... This lineup is absolutely retarded, if I may say so: Danny Carter (tenor sax) Charles Tyler (baritone sax) Charles Stephens (trombone) Hassan Dawkins (soprano sax) Kappo Umezu (alto sax, bass clarinet) Richard Dunbar (french horn) Melvin Smith (guitar) Ahmed Abdullah (trumpet) Ted Daniel (trumpet) Richard Pierce (bass) Steve Reid (trap drums) Tatsuya Nakamura (percussion) When I'd seen the disc mentioned before, it only dropped the few 'big' names... the smaller ones is what it's all about, though! Quote
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