Christiern Posted September 20, 2006 Report Share Posted September 20, 2006 (edited) This is here because I don't see it as a political statement, just a non-political obsevation. Look at this man, does he not bear a striking resemblance to the late Stanley Dance? Judge Mohammed Oreibi al-Khalifa, the new chief judge in Saddam Hussein's genocide trial. Edited September 20, 2006 by Christiern Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Kart Posted September 20, 2006 Report Share Posted September 20, 2006 Yes indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gould Posted September 20, 2006 Report Share Posted September 20, 2006 Maybe someone should ask him how he feels about those darn boppers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgraham333 Posted September 20, 2006 Report Share Posted September 20, 2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Twizzle Posted September 20, 2006 Report Share Posted September 20, 2006 Dance is on the right, the guy in the middle is Baron Timme Rosenkrantz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christiern Posted September 20, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2006 (edited) Thank you, Twizzle, I was wondering why a photo of my fomer friend and roommate, Timme, got into this thread! ...and is that not Leonard Feather on the left? Edited September 20, 2006 by Christiern Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted September 20, 2006 Report Share Posted September 20, 2006 Thank you, Twizzle, I was wondering why a photo of my fomer friend and roommate, Timme, got into this thread! ...and is that not Leonard Feather on the left? Not Feather. The nose is the first clue. I think that guy played banjo in Deliverance. FWIW, I think the judge looks kinda' like a young Rich Seidel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Twizzle Posted September 20, 2006 Report Share Posted September 20, 2006 According to the website where I found the picture, the man on the left is unidentified. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted September 20, 2006 Report Share Posted September 20, 2006 According to the website where I found the picture, the man on the left is unidentified. Sometimes I know "unidentified" but not this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christiern Posted September 21, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 Well, if there's one thing Leonard never was, its unidentified. He saw to that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Kart Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 Speaking of Dance, who contributed a great deal to the music and also was in my experience a very nice man, I just ran across a rather startling quote from him in a letter he wrote to Down Beat in 1940, about Benny Goodman's "contemptible" hiring of Cootie Williams away from Ellington: "...I have no doubt that in comparison with the Duke, Mr. Goodman's band will continue to sound like a bunch of tired businessmen and usurers seeking recreation the the music." Usurers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Spontooneous Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 An anti-Semitic code word? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 An anti-Semitic code word? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Kart Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 An anti-Semitic code word? That's how I took it, because while Benny the bandleader could be said to be literally a business man, his being a "usurer" (and the rest of the band, too?) as well as a musician can only be figurative, and usury (lending money at exorbitant rates) was perhaps the chief crime or sin, actual and symbolic, with which Jews traditionally were tagged in anti-Semitic lore. Stanley certainly was angry there; the full quote is: "I find Goodman's actions [in hiring Cootie Williams away from Ellington] as contemptible as his clarinet playing. Evidently the 'King of Swing' has no artistic conscience whatsoever. However, I have no doubt that in comparison with the Duke, Mr. Goodman's band will continue to sound like a bunch of tired business men and usurers seeking recreation the the music. The trouble with jazz today is that there are more business men than musicians engaged in it." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Kart Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 That should be "...seeking recreation in the music." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Kart Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 As for what Stanley could have been thinking there, I know that he very much disliked what he thought Goodman's music was and what he thought it represented -- slick white commercial swing unfairly edging out/feeding on the superior, genuine black music of Ellington, Basie et al. -- and then this was 1940, at the end of decade in which it was not uncommon at various times, both on the Left and on the Right, to link Jews and rampant commercialism. (I'd assume that Stanley was on the Left in the '30s; maybe Chris can enlighten me there.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 (edited) Hath not a Benny eyes? Hath not Benny hands, organs, dimensions, senses, affections, passions? Fed with the same food, hurt with the same weapons, subject to the same diseases, healed by the same means, warmed and cooled by the same winter and summer, as Duke Ellington is? If you prick him (the prick), does Benny not bleed? if you tickle Benny, does he not laugh? if you poison Benny (and many people have wanted to), does he not die? And if he hireth Cootie Williams, does the band not swingeth a little more? Edited September 21, 2006 by AllenLowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgraham333 Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 Thank you, Twizzle, I was wondering why a photo of my fomer friend and roommate, Timme, got into this thread! ...and is that not Leonard Feather on the left? You have failed me for the last time, Google image search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceH Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 Speaking of Dance, who contributed a great deal to the music and also was in my experience a very nice man, I just ran across a rather startling quote from him in a letter he wrote to Down Beat in 1940, about Benny Goodman's "contemptible" hiring of Cootie Williams away from Ellington: "...I have no doubt that in comparison with the Duke, Mr. Goodman's band will continue to sound like a bunch of tired businessmen and usurers seeking recreation the the music." Usurers? Maybe he meant "insurers"...that they played like insurance salesmen. (Not that that makes any sense, but at least it's not antisemitic.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceH Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 This is here because I don't see it as a political statement, just a non-political obsevation. Look at this man, does he not bear a striking resemblance to the late Stanley Dance? Judge Mohammed Oreibi al-Khalifa, the new chief judge in Saddam Hussein's genocide trial. Has anyone felt him out on the subject of Ellinton? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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