Moving On Up: Jay Z

[JSngry]

Well, just about to go down and play my gig in the ice storm of '07.

So the ice finally hit Austin? Our son drove through there about 2 this afternoon on his way back from a weekend in San Marcos and reported no ice, much to our relief. It was supposed to have come through earlier that morning from what we were hearing here, and we were more than a little concerned, what with him having zero experience driving in winter weather.

Be careful. Ice sucks!

[JSngry]

Frankly, I'd rather find out if dolphins (and/or the streets on which they live) are blue or green. That's not yet been established!

Why limit our choices in dolphin hues (and music) to what we assume are the only choices?

edit - these particular dolphins appear to exist in Asia. I've also seen pink dolphins personally, swimming in the Amazon River (them, not me!) .

Well see, there you have it. Unlimited options in dolphin color, apparently, yet everybody just keeps on accepting freakin' green as the way to go, never considering all the other possibilities.

THAT'S what I'm talking about!

[Soul Stream]

Well, just about to go down and play my gig in the ice storm of '07.

So the ice finally hit Austin? Our son drove through there about 2 this afternoon on his way back from a weekend in San Marcos and reported no ice, much to our relief. It was supposed to have come through earlier that morning from what we were hearing here, and we were more than a little concerned, what with him having zero experience driving in winter weather.

Be careful. Ice sucks!

Jim, I should have used the wink smiley on that one. It hasn't hit yet, I think tommorrow if at all. It's just that they've been hyping it so much, that at this point I'm sure we're all gonna die! Looks like it's gonna stay above freezing here until around 6 a.m. But I'm sure it'll be a ghost town tonight at the gig.

[The Magnificent Goldberg]

Frankly, I'd rather find out if dolphins (and/or the streets on which they live) are blue or green. That's not yet been established!

Why limit our choices in dolphin hues (and music) to what we assume are the only choices?

edit - these particular dolphins appear to exist in Asia. I've also seen pink dolphins personally, swimming in the Amazon River (them, not me!) .

Well see, there you have it. Unlimited options in dolphin color, apparently, yet everybody just keeps on accepting freakin' green as the way to go, never considering all the other possibilities.

THAT'S what I'm talking about!

Steel grey. Same colour as most bridges. That's why it hasn't got a bridge - camouflaged by the dolphins. "Green" was picked in order to disguise the song's bridgelessness. "Bridge over troubled water" hasn't got a bridge, either (well, neither version that I own has). But "Mean streets-no bridges" has.

And, to make matters worse, the Board has decided to stop notifying me of posts on this thread.

I dunno what to make of it. Seems like the whole world's against me.

MG

[Scott Dolan]

Dolphins are mostly grey and white. At least in the Gulf Of Mexico.

[.:.impossible]

[sal]

The same people talking shit about hip-hop are the same types of people that talked shit about rock n roll when they first heard the Beatles, or the same people that talked shit about bebop when they first heard Charlie Parker. I'm not comparing the generes, but more the lack of understanding.

Unfortunately, I think most of the people who hate hip-hop so much are the ones whose opinions have been molded by all the crap that's been on the radio for the last 6 years or so. If that's the case, I don't blame you. But that is a very limited view. I wouldn't call the Three Six Mafia the definition of hip hop any more than I would call The Fray the definition of rock n roll, or Jamie Cullum the definition of jazz.

Classic hip hop holds its own as an art form as much as any other form of American music. I may get flamed for this statement, but hip hop is relatively young....lets wait 50 years and see. Don't forget how practically every other lasting form of American music was criticized and misunderstood by the public at large in its early stages. Public Enemy, A Tribe Called Quest, the early Wu Tang records, Eric B and Rakim....it is powerful, creative stuff. Its very different from everything that came before it, but what great music isn't? And it will survive long after hip hop finally loses its place as America's choice form of pop music.

[Soul Stream]

And it will survive long after hip hop finally loses its place as America's choice form of pop music.

When will that be, I want to mark my calender. Anyway, if you've seen Mike Judge's film "Idiocracy" you'll remember that the #1 movie in the future is "Ass". Which is a feature film that shows someone's bare ass the whole time. Somehow, I get the feeling that's not so far off the mark of where music's going.

Yeah, I'm well aware of the generational divide I've crossed over to. It was marked with the introdution of rap into the mainstream of the 80's. I hated it then and have grown old enough to see that stuff have the "classic" tag hung on it. And just like a generation who didn't get the Beatles, I don't get (or care to get) Biggie Smalls.

[JSngry]

And most of them don't get (or care to get) our generation.

So let's everybody get on with being who we are, whatever that is, and let's make it - whatever it is, as good as it deserves to be, not just good enough to get the gig.

[Scott Dolan]

I thought we were talking the mammalian persuasion?

[Quincy]

I thought we were talking the mammalian persuasion?

It's the dolphin-fish, better known is restaurants as mahi-mahi. Especially yummy when lightly marinated in lime and grilled.

[Alexander]

And it will survive long after hip hop finally loses its place as America's choice form of pop music.

When will that be, I want to mark my calender. Anyway, if you've seen Mike Judge's film "Idiocracy" you'll remember that the #1 movie in the future is "Ass". Which is a feature film that shows someone's bare ass the whole time. Somehow, I get the feeling that's not so far off the mark of where music's going.

Yeah, I'm well aware of the generational divide I've crossed over to. It was marked with the introdution of rap into the mainstream of the 80's. I hated it then and have grown old enough to see that stuff have the "classic" tag hung on it. And just like a generation who didn't get the Beatles, I don't get (or care to get) Biggie Smalls.

I just don't see the point of hating. Either find SOMETHING worthwhile in the music, or don't listen to it.

That's my ONE critique of Joe Bussard. Great guy with great taste. Very big ears for the narrow strip of territory he's staked out. However, his rants against "modern music" (for Joe that's everything after 1934) are pointless. Crumb hates "modern" stuff, too. It gets tired.

Love what you love. Give the other stuff a chance. If it moves you, great. If not, move on.

Edited January 16, 2007 by Alexander

[Soul Stream]

I just don't see the point of hating. Either find SOMETHING worthwhile in the music, or don't listen to it.

Rap at this point is an unavoidable part of today's society. Movies, commercials, t.v., cars, bars, ect... It's inescapable. If I could "not" listen to it I would. That said, I understand it's most young people's music of choice and for some an adopted lifestyle. It's a huge part of the landscape these days.

I was never into popular music even when I was a kid. I was making my own banjo from scratch and listening to Earl Scruggs records. So the idea of someone like that not digging Wu Tang when he got older ain't that hard to imagine.

[Quincy]

I just don't see the point of hating. Either find SOMETHING worthwhile in the music, or don't listen to it.

Oh c'mon, it's fun to slag on stuff sometimes. Sort of like how you like to tweak the Christians on this board. You're hardly turning the other cheek there (unless we're talking about lower cheeks.)

As for Jay-Z, I just can't respect someone pushing Buttwiper beer. Great Divide, Rogue, North Coast to name a few and I'd feel more positive about him, but Budweiser? Blech.

[Scott Dolan]

I thought we were talking the mammalian persuasion?

It's the dolphin-fish, better known is restaurants as mahi-mahi. Especially yummy when lightly marinated in lime and grilled.

I'm familiar with it, having lived on the Gulf Coast for over 20 years. Hence my previous comment.

[Alexander]

I just don't see the point of hating. Either find SOMETHING worthwhile in the music, or don't listen to it.

Rap at this point is an unavoidable part of today's society. Movies, commercials, t.v., cars, bars, ect... It's inescapable. If I could "not" listen to it I would. That said, I understand it's most young people's music of choice and for some an adopted lifestyle. It's a huge part of the landscape these days.

I was never into popular music even when I was a kid. I was making my own banjo from scratch and listening to Earl Scruggs records. So the idea of someone like that not digging Wu Tang when he got older ain't that hard to imagine.

You're quite right that it is an unavoidable part of today's society, much like jazz, blues and rock were unavoidable parts of society in earlier decades. When something is so omnipresent, I think it's best to find a way to make peace with it. It just doesn't do to be outraged ALL the time (even *I* occasionally have to unplug from religion and politics and just chill).

[Quincy]

I thought we were talking the mammalian persuasion?

It's the dolphin-fish, better known is restaurants as mahi-mahi. Especially yummy when lightly marinated in lime and grilled.

I'm familiar with it, having lived on the Gulf Coast for over 20 years. Hence my previous comment.

Sorry, I've just had a hankerin' to play "name that fish!"

[.:.impossible]

Mammalian titles for new tunes written on the changes from On Green Dolphin Street.

On Black and White Dolphin Street.

On Irawaddy Dolphin Street. (definitely the most cartoon friendly of the dolphins)

On Pink Dolphin Street.

On Dolphin that everyone thinks is a Whale Street.

[JSngry]

Mammalian titles for new tunes written on the changes from On Green Dolphin Street.

On Irawaddy Dolphin Street. (definitely the most cartoon friendly of the dolphins)

Irawaddy-Daddy-Diddy Dolphin-Ditty Doo.

[The Magnificent Goldberg]

Mammalian titles for new tunes written on the changes from On Green Dolphin Street.

On Irawaddy Dolphin Street. (definitely the most cartoon friendly of the dolphins)

Irawaddy-Daddy-Diddy Dolphin-Ditty Doo.

Oh, you must be a musician

MG

[JSngry]

Impossible! I like dance music & the new technology.

[Scott Dolan]

Which you lied about earlier saying it doesn't play itself.

[JSngry]

Yeah, sorry 'bout that. Them machines, hey, they'll play whatever they wanna play. Just plug'em in and turn'em loose!

[Scott Dolan]

...and hope they've been properly potty trained.

[JSngry]

That's what the heat sinks are for.