BFT46 bonus disc. Discussion thread

[The Magnificent Goldberg]

We're off!

As with the main disc, more bets placed with myself as to the outcome!

MG

Edited April 3, 2007 by The Magnificent Goldberg

[John B]

I've listened to the first few tracks on the bonus disc and this is really not what I was expecting at all. That said, here are a few comments / guesses.

1. Blink and you'll miss it song about lucking out during a vice squad raid. I'll guess it is track #18 on this disc.

2. I was able to identify this as west-African pop fairly quickly. That said, this isn't an artist I am really familiar with. The lyrics focus on Guinea, so I was able to narrow things down fairly quickly. I'm not sure what specific release this is from, but I'm fairly confident that track #5 off of this disc is in the right ballpark.

3. More African pop, but I don't really have any clue who this is. This track is too poppy and "safe" for my taste.

4. Ok, here's the organ. I'm guessing that's why you selected this track. The rest of the band doesn't really stand out for me. I have no idea who the singer is. Obviously a version of "The Night Time is the Right Time," but I'm unable to narrow things down any more than that. Not bad, but not really my cup of tea.

[The Magnificent Goldberg]

Er - hey! I posted a reply this morning! Where's it gone? Oh well, here we go again.

I've listened to the first few tracks on the bonus disc and this is really not what I was expecting at all.

1. Blink and you'll miss it song about lucking out during a vice squad raid. I'll guess it is track #18 on this disc.

2. I was able to identify this as west-African pop fairly quickly. That said, this isn't an artist I am really familiar with. The lyrics focus on Guinea, so I was able to narrow things down fairly quickly. I'm not sure what specific release this is from, but I'm fairly confident that track #5 off of this disc is in the right ballpark.

Right on both, John. What made you pick #5? There are two versions of that song on the CD, as it's a twofer. Were there samples?

3. More African pop, but I don't really have any clue who this is. This track is too poppy and "safe" for my taste.

But politically not very safe.

4. Ok, here's the organ. I'm guessing that's why you selected this track.

Yes, this was a refugee from the main disc, but I thought it sat better over here.

MG

[John B]

Right on both, John. What made you pick #5? There are two versions of that song on the CD, as it's a twofer. Were there samples?

No, no samples. I just took a wild guess. I don't own any of his albums and I had no way of sampling tracks while at work. I knew what song it was and looked for a likely track.

I was wondering what the lyrics were saying on #3. I'd be interested in hearing more about the artist / song when you reveal the details.

[JSngry]

ItalicOk, I got some quiet time to myself, might as well get this done pleasurably rather than in a rush. Might be a while before the opportunity presents itself again...

TRACK ONE - Helen Humes, unquestionably, most likely from one of those LA concerts that yielded Just Jazz, JATP, and others. God I love Helen Humes.

TRACK TWO - No idea, I have little broad exposure to this type music. But I have heard rhythmic elements of it incorporated into the better House I've been into lately, & I'm not totally unfamilar with the music in a boad(est) sense, so this is not something that discombobulates me. I like it quite a bit. More than taht, I'm not qualified (or prone) to say. That groove just elevates you and keeps you elevated. That's a good thing.

Whoops, LTB just woke up. Gonna have to keep it short, gonna be another busy week, & gotta make the time count...

TRACK THREE - Not quite enough float in the beat for my taste. Might be the recording, though.

TRACK FOUR - Tasty!

TRACK FIVE - Lloyd Glenn?

TRACK SIX - Booth/studio chatter? Stuff Smith? Bongos? Chicago tenor? Not Jug?

Nice!

TRACK SEVEN - Not doing too much for me, but nice enough. Seems to lack something, a certain oomph... Organ is more interesting to me than the vibes by a long shot. Almost sounds like Earland really stretching...certainly resembles his style of composition.

TRACK EIGHT - Not feeling this one. Oh well.

TRACK NINE - Ok, I can feel this one. Big sound, natural swing, not getting hung up on worries about the "commercialism" of the arrangement, just laying into it and playing it honestly and with feeling. Very Jug-like, but not Jug, and I should know who this is. But alas...

TRACK TEN - The strangest version of "People Make The World Go Round" I've ever heard...would this be Hutch from Linger Lane? That's the one post-Lion BN of his that I don't have. A bit unfocused, perhaps. Could have been better, but those were weird times to be recording this type of jazz for BN. Tenor's tone sounds like Benny Maupin or...Marvin Cabell!

So...

A-HA!!!!

Wow, I had know idea this vibes player went there. But doggone it, I can tell Marvin Cabell a mile away!

TRACK ELEVEN - That altoist has gotta be Louis Jordan. One of the Mercury sides, maybe the one arranged by Quincy? Ok, the alto solo sounds less like Jordan than the opening lick did, but I can still got there. Just w/less conviction. Nice jam.

TRACK TWELVE - Some sangin' Los Panchos style would've been nice, but it's not a deal-breaker. Again, nice.

TRACK THIRTEEN - I'm kinda pressed for time right now, my mind & listening have shifted to "hurry up" mode, so this one is probably not getting the recpetion it deserves. I can hear potential there, just need to find a less rushed time to listen to it. Is the vocal sampled?

TRACK FOURTEEN - Cute. But as somebody who's been there and back, subject matter alone is not enought to win my heart. Not that it ever was. But...no. Thanks anyway.

Interesting compilation. VERY interesting. Thanks!

[The Magnificent Goldberg]

[TRACK ONE - Helen Humes, unquestionably, most likely from one of those LA concerts that yielded Just Jazz, JATP, and others. God I love Helen Humes.

Yup! (Yay!)

TRACK THREE - Not quite enough float in the beat for my taste. Might be the recording, though.

It's in there for the politics, not the music

TRACK FOUR - Tasty!

Another Yay!

TRACK FIVE - Lloyd Glenn?

I don't think so - pianist not credited. Try for the tenor player.

MG

[The Magnificent Goldberg]

TRACK SIX - Booth/studio chatter? Stuff Smith? Bongos? Chicago tenor? Not Jug?

Nice!

Not Stuff Smith. Not a Chicago tenor, but recorded in Chicago.

TRACK SEVEN - Not doing too much for me, but nice enough. Seems to lack something, a certain oomph... Organ is more interesting to me than the vibes by a long shot. Almost sounds like Earland really stretching...certainly resembles his style of composition.

This is another refugee from the main disc.

TRACK EIGHT - Not feeling this one. Oh well.

Not everyone's cup of tea.

TRACK NINE - Ok, I can feel this one. Big sound, natural swing, not getting hung up on worries about the "commercialism" of the arrangement, just laying into it and playing it honestly and with feeling. Very Jug-like, but not Jug, and I should know who this is. But alas...

Oh, you are gonna kick yourself, Jim!

TRACK TEN - The strangest version of "People Make The World Go Round" I've ever heard...would this be Hutch from Linger Lane? That's the one post-Lion BN of his that I don't have. A bit unfocused, perhaps. Could have been better, but those were weird times to be recording this type of jazz for BN. Tenor's tone sounds like Benny Maupin or...Marvin Cabell!

So...

A-HA!!!!

Wow, I had know idea this vibes player went there. But doggone it, I can tell Marvin Cabell a mile away!

Yep! I knew you'd get this one, too, because of Cabell. And I've been on about this album. This is why.

MG

[The Magnificent Goldberg]

TRACK ELEVEN - That altoist has gotta be Louis Jordan. One of the Mercury sides, maybe the one arranged by Quincy? Ok, the alto solo sounds less like Jordan than the opening lick did, but I can still got there. Just w/less conviction. Nice jam.

Not Jordan.

TRACK TWELVE - Some sangin' Los Panchos style would've been nice, but it's not a deal-breaker. Again, nice.

Singers would have given it away, I think.

TRACK THIRTEEN - I'm kinda pressed for time right now, my mind & listening have shifted to "hurry up" mode, so this one is probably not getting the recpetion it deserves. I can hear potential there, just need to find a less rushed time to listen to it. Is the vocal sampled?

Vocal isn't sampled. All real musicians playing real instruments and singers really singing.

TRACK FOURTEEN - Cute. But as somebody who's been there and back, subject matter alone is not enought to win my heart. Not that it ever was. But...no. Thanks anyway.

This is there because it follows #13. All will be revealed...

Interesting compilation. VERY interesting. Thanks!

Glad you got a few things out of it, Jim.

MG

[mikeweil]

Finally got a chance to listen into this .....

1. Helen Humes!!! They raided the joint, and she raided the audience. Great, always loved her.

2. One of those drum machines firmly in use in an African studio. Ivory Coast? Nice, but I still wish they would get back to their traditional instruments, which sounded so beautiful. This music is pure postive life attitude. Good singers! How come you've got such a large collection of this?

3. From Africa to the Carribean - some Reggae with real corny synths .... oh well ... I'll pass this on.

4. That girl's voice sounds pretty familiar, but I'm not the one she wishes to be with her. She knows what she's talking about, that's for sure.

5. Nawleans stuff? Very nice percussion effects. I'd buy that in a minute! A very young Ray Bryant recorded a handful of pieces in that style, but I would have to search the LP ...

6. Lady Be Good - the violinist is no Grappelli, although he tries to copy his attitude. But he hasn't got a tenth of his chops. Well ... sorry my thumb is down. The tenor is a nice player, however.

7. Johnny Lytle? Never heard him use orchestra bells. But that's his attitude.

8. If there weren't so many guitars I'd opt for a Meters session. That drummer sounds like Zigaboo Modeliste. And the craziness is there.

9. I almost expected Barry White to start singing. A little too sloppy tenor, nd bordering on kitsch, to these ears. NMCOT. Much too long, for its substance.

10. Electrified sax? John Klemmer's one Cadet LP with Lynn Blessing (?) on vibes. Eruption? A Mosaic Select of Klemmer's Cadet LPs would be nice. They were underrated, in retrospect. This has touches of Bitches Brew. Nice.

Ramsey Lewis also covered that tune - People Make The World Go Round. Hmm - can't find this tune in the Klemmer disco ...

More when I'm back from the Swiss gigs.

(edited for typo)

Edited April 28, 2007 by mikeweil

[The Magnificent Goldberg]

Finally got a chance to listen into this .....

1. Helen Humes!!! They raided the joint, and she raided the audience. Great, always loved her.

Yep - that's it.

2. One of those drum machines firmly in use in an African studio. Ivory Coast? Nice, but I still wish they would get back to their traditional instruments, which sounded so beautiful. This music is pure postive life attitude. Good singers! How come you've got such a large collection of this?

I knew you wouldn't like the drum machines, Mike. But I thought you might get this one.

5. Nawleans stuff? Very nice percussion effects. I'd buy that in a minute! A very young Ray Bryant recorded a handful of pieces in that style, but I would have to search the LP ...

Near guess. But not Bryant. Was he ever in the New Orleans scene?

6. Lady Be Good - the violinist is no Grappelli, although he tries to copy his attitude. But he hasn't got a tenth of his chops. Well ... sorry my thumb is down. The tenor is a nice player, however.

You like the tenor player.

7. Johnny Lytle? Never heard him use orchestra bells. But that's his attitude.

Yes, it's Lytle.

MG

[The Magnificent Goldberg]

8. If there weren't so many guitars I'd opt for a Meters session. That drummer sounds like Zigaboo Modeliste. And the craziness is there.

Not New Orleans this time.

MG

[mikeweil]

2. One of those drum machines firmly in use in an African studio. Ivory Coast? Nice, but I still wish they would get back to their traditional instruments, which sounded so beautiful. This music is pure postive life attitude. Good singers! How come you've got such a large collection of this?

I knew you wouldn't like the drum machines, Mike. But I thought you might get this one.

I don't have so much modern African music, although I like to listen to it - so much other music to buy ...

[mikeweil]

5. Nawleans stuff? Very nice percussion effects. I'd buy that in a minute! A very young Ray Bryant recorded a handful of pieces in that style, but I would have to search the LP ...

Near guess. But not Bryant. Was he ever in the New Orleans scene?

Probably not ... I have a Krazy Kat LP ith some Bryant tracks in that style - recorded for Gotham in 1955. (The LP was released with Bill Jennings name stated first.)

[The Magnificent Goldberg]

5. Nawleans stuff? Very nice percussion effects. I'd buy that in a minute! A very young Ray Bryant recorded a handful of pieces in that style, but I would have to search the LP ...

Near guess. But not Bryant. Was he ever in the New Orleans scene?

Probably not ... I have a Krazy Kat LP ith some Bryant tracks in that style - recorded for Gotham in 1955. (The LP was released with Bill Jennings name stated first.)

Interesting - didn't know about those records.

My computer's down. Off to the menders. Unlikely to be back for a couple of weeks. So I'm in the library now. Will keep in touch as may be.

MG

[The Magnificent Goldberg]

Answers in new thread now, folks.

MG