question for SUN RA experts

[chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez]

what are the top ten sun ra albums i should get if i wanna hear sun playing the DX7? (so, say, 1983 and beyond, most likely late 80s....)

ps- wahts the name of those HORO albums you guys mentioned?

[brownie]

ps- wahts the name of those HORO albums you guys mentioned?

New Steps:

Other Voices, Other Blues:

Unity:

[jostber]

More on Horo Records which are sadly unavailable at the moment:

http://www.dpo.uab.edu/~moudry/discog/horo.htm

http://www.amarcordrecords.com/discohoro.html

[.:.impossible]

I've never heard Unity.

74. Sun Ra Arkestra

Unity

Horo HDP 19-20 (1978)

RCA RVI 9003/9004 (Japan, 1979)

Side A:

Yesterdays (Kern-Harbach)

Lightnin' (Ellington)

How Am I to Know? (King-Parker-Robbins)

Lights [on a Satellite] (Ra)

Side B:

Yeah Man (Sissle-Henderson)

King Porter Stomp (Morton)

Images (Ra)

Penthouse Serenade (Jason-Burton)

Side C:

Lady Bird (Dameron)

Half Nelson (Miles Davis)

Halloween [in Harlem] (Ra)

My Favorite Things (Rodgers-Hammerstein)

Side D:

The Satellites [are Spinning] (Ra) *

Rose Room (Hickman-Williams) *

Enlight[en]ment (Dotson-Ra)

Ra-org, Rocksichord; Michael Ray-tp; Ahmed Abdullah-tp; Akh Tal Ebah-tp, voc; Craig Harris-tb; Charles Stephens-tb; Vincent Chancey-frh; Emmett McDonald-bass horn; Marshall Allen-as, ob, fl; Danny Davis-as, fl; John Gilmore-ts, cl, perc; Danny Ray Thompson-bs, fl; Eloe Omoe-bcl, fl; James Jacson-fl, bsn, perc; Richard Williams-b; Thomas Hunter-d; Luqman Ali (Edward Skinner)-d; Atakatune-perc; Eddie Thomas-perc, voc; June Tyson-voc. Storyville, New York, 10/24 and 29/1977. Recorded by Thomas Hunter.

[information from album jacket; Richard Evans told Chase that he did not work with Ra in the late 70s; he is sometimes confused with Richard Williams, so I'll go with Williams]

* Chris Trent points out that The Satellites and Rose Room were recorded at the Chateauvallon Festival, Chateauvallon, France, 8/25/76. See listing for T76.8.25; personnel same as Live at Montreux, except that Ra plays rocksichord on these two tracks. The audience cassette tape, when lined up with the LP for these two tracks, acts like another stereo channel -- the performances, asides, applause are indistinguishable.

This was Akh Tal Ebah's last recording with the Arkestra. On Thanksgiving Day, 1977, while the Arkestra was playing the Jazz Showcase in Chicago, he attempted suicide. Ebah died in 1979 or 1980. [Ahmed Abdullah]

75.

Looks nice.

[Hot Ptah]

I've never heard Unity.

74. Sun Ra Arkestra

Unity

Horo HDP 19-20 (1978)

RCA RVI 9003/9004 (Japan, 1979)

Side A:

Yesterdays (Kern-Harbach)

Lightnin' (Ellington)

How Am I to Know? (King-Parker-Robbins)

Lights [on a Satellite] (Ra)

Side B:

Yeah Man (Sissle-Henderson)

King Porter Stomp (Morton)

Images (Ra)

Penthouse Serenade (Jason-Burton)

Side C:

Lady Bird (Dameron)

Half Nelson (Miles Davis)

Halloween [in Harlem] (Ra)

My Favorite Things (Rodgers-Hammerstein)

Side D:

The Satellites [are Spinning] (Ra) *

Rose Room (Hickman-Williams) *

Enlight[en]ment (Dotson-Ra)

Ra-org, Rocksichord; Michael Ray-tp; Ahmed Abdullah-tp; Akh Tal Ebah-tp, voc; Craig Harris-tb; Charles Stephens-tb; Vincent Chancey-frh; Emmett McDonald-bass horn; Marshall Allen-as, ob, fl; Danny Davis-as, fl; John Gilmore-ts, cl, perc; Danny Ray Thompson-bs, fl; Eloe Omoe-bcl, fl; James Jacson-fl, bsn, perc; Richard Williams-b; Thomas Hunter-d; Luqman Ali (Edward Skinner)-d; Atakatune-perc; Eddie Thomas-perc, voc; June Tyson-voc. Storyville, New York, 10/24 and 29/1977. Recorded by Thomas Hunter.

[information from album jacket; Richard Evans told Chase that he did not work with Ra in the late 70s; he is sometimes confused with Richard Williams, so I'll go with Williams]

* Chris Trent points out that The Satellites and Rose Room were recorded at the Chateauvallon Festival, Chateauvallon, France, 8/25/76. See listing for T76.8.25; personnel same as Live at Montreux, except that Ra plays rocksichord on these two tracks. The audience cassette tape, when lined up with the LP for these two tracks, acts like another stereo channel -- the performances, asides, applause are indistinguishable.

This was Akh Tal Ebah's last recording with the Arkestra. On Thanksgiving Day, 1977, while the Arkestra was playing the Jazz Showcase in Chicago, he attempted suicide. Ebah died in 1979 or 1980. [Ahmed Abdullah]

75.

Looks nice.

"Unity" is great. I have between 100 and 200 Sun Ra albums (stopped counting at some point) and "Unity" is my favorite. It is perhaps the one time where everything came together just right for Sun Ra on record. The playing is tight and together, the material is excellent, the solos are really good, the swing era stuff is exciting and tight. It lacks extended avant garde blowing vehicles, but otherwise any Sun Ra fan would most likely enjoy it.

[.:.impossible]

Thanks Ptah. I friend has already offered to send me a copy. I'm really looking forward to hearing it. The other two Horos are excellent.

[brownie]

Still kicking myself for having bypassed these Horos when they came out

Just too many Sun Ras were being released at the time!

[Hot Ptah]

Still kicking myself for having bypassed these Horos when they came out

Just too many Sun Ras were being released at the time!

I know just what you mean. I held all three Horos in my hands at Schoolkids Records in Ann Arbor when they first came out, some time between 1978--80. I decided that I had better buy only "Unity", and put the other two back.

It was not until some time after 2000 that I was able to buy the other two Horos on ebay, at a somewhat reasonable price (still many times what they sold for originally).

[brownie]

It was not until some time after 2000 that I was able to buy the other two Horos on ebay, at a somewhat reasonable price (still many times what they sold for originally).

I did not have your luck. The copies I saw were being sold at unreasonable prices!

I'll probably have to wait several years before one of those Andorran labels reissue these sessions -_-

[.:.impossible]

Still kicking myself for having bypassed these Horos when they came out

Just too many Sun Ras were being released at the time!

I know just what you mean. I held all three Horos in my hands at Schoolkids Records in Ann Arbor when they first came out, some time between 1978--80. I decided that I had better buy only "Unity", and put the other two back.

It was not until some time after 2000 that I was able to buy the other two Horos on ebay, at a somewhat reasonable price (still many times what they sold for originally).

How large of a chain was Schoolkids? There was one here in town about ten years ago. It is a Mexicano clothing store now. I always thought it was a regional shop. Still a couple of indie shops hanging on in town...

[chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez]

are these HOROS reissued on cd at all?

i have Other side of the sun from '79 and lemme tell you its my fave- great swining arrangements- yeah i believe you when you say these are that good

also back to my original main q: does anyone have any later 80s recommendations, if i wanna hear sun on the Yamaha DX7 digital synth which he used at that time?

[brownie]

are these HOROS reissued on cd at all?

No legal CD reissue of any Horo albums. That's the official stand from Horo owner/producer Aldo Sinesio.

The owner/producer of those wonderful BeeHive sessions has the same position!

[chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez]

he is retarted: what is he waiting for, sun ra to die?

[jostber]

Aldo Sinesio was active selling Horo's some years ago:

http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/news.php?id=242

http://mailman.xmission.com/pipermail/zorn...ust/001487.html

http://www.organissimo.org/forum/index.php...f=7&t=29098

[Rooster_Ties]

No legal CD reissue of any Horo albums. That's the official stand from Horo owner/producer Aldo Sinesio.

something more than speculation (but less than confirmed fact) from another thread...

I've ask the question to some "specialists" about the complete vanishing of the HORO records.

They explain me that SINESIO was a contractual RAI producers and the recording sessions was first intended to be broadcast on radio.

Seems that actually, SINESIO don't own no RIGHT on this sessions anymore and legally can't produce CDs from them.

The question is who own the rights from the HORO's session NOW?

The musician? Don't think so.

The RAI? Depends what kind of contract they had with the musicians at the time of the session.

And who has the tapes, today? SINESIO? The RAI?

Seems to me than the whole story is a can of worms and than the label has never been really legit.

Edited April 11, 2007 by Rooster_Ties

[jazzbo]

he is retarted: what is he waiting for, sun ra to die?

Good one!

[brownie]

No legal CD reissue of any Horo albums. That's the official stand from Horo owner/producer Aldo Sinesio.

something more than speculation (but less than confirmed fact) from another thread...

I've ask the question to some "specialists" about the complete vanishing of the HORO records.

They explain me that SINESIO was a contractual RAI producers and the recording sessions was first intended to be broadcast on radio.

Seems that actually, SINESIO don't own no RIGHT on this sessions anymore and legally can't produce CDs from them.

The question is who own the rights from the HORO's session NOW?

The musician? Don't think so.

The RAI? Depends what kind of contract they had with the musicians at the time of the session.

And who has the tapes, today? SINESIO? The RAI?

Seems to me than the whole story is a can of worms and than the label has never been really legit.

The Andorran labels won't bother that much with these subtilities

Edited April 11, 2007 by brownie

[Hot Ptah]

Still kicking myself for having bypassed these Horos when they came out

Just too many Sun Ras were being released at the time!

I know just what you mean. I held all three Horos in my hands at Schoolkids Records in Ann Arbor when they first came out, some time between 1978--80. I decided that I had better buy only "Unity", and put the other two back.

It was not until some time after 2000 that I was able to buy the other two Horos on ebay, at a somewhat reasonable price (still many times what they sold for originally).

How large of a chain was Schoolkids? There was one here in town about ten years ago. It is a Mexicano clothing store now. I always thought it was a regional shop. Still a couple of indie shops hanging on in town...

It would surprise me if Schoolkids was a chain in 1978-80 when I shopped there in Ann Arbor. It seemed like the quintessential independent record store in a large college town. It was more than a store, it was also a cultural center of sorts, for both jazz lovers and the punk and New Wave music lovers. The staff were all serious music lovers and album experts. It had four long aisles of records, one of them devoted only to jazz. The first time I walked in there were a number of young men debating the merits of various Andrew Cyrille albums. I knew it was a place I would be visiting often. I have heard that it is now closed in Ann Arbor.