Reuben Wilson- unissused session

[chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez]

he has a lot of unissued or rejected items but this one, didn't sync up with a known released recording-- therefore looked like the most thought provoking item//// has anyone ever asked cucsucuna about this one?

Reuben Wilson Quintet

Ramon Morris, Harold Ousley (ts) Reuben Wilson (org) Ted Dunbar (g) William Curtis (d)

Rudy Van Gelder Studio, Englewood Cliffs, NJ, June 26, 1970

Son Of Man Blue Note unissued

Do-Ba-Dat-San! -

Dance Ville -

What's Gonna Happen To Me -

Weaver Of Dreams -

[The Magnificent Goldberg]

Christ what a fuckin' BAND!!!!!

The others are well known but Bill Curtis at the time was playing with Don Pullen (org), Charles Williams (as)& Bubba Brooks (ts) in a band called The Four Souls. Later, he started the Fatback Band (of course, that very fact might put MC off).

"Son of man" is a nice Harold Ousley tune. This must be the first recording. I've only heard it by Houston Person, I think - on the "Person to person" album.

Yeah, this would be a great one for the Rare Grooves series.

MG

[Swinging Swede]

I don't remember this session ever having been discussed before. I would buy it.

However, it's worth noting that this was recorded less than a month after Grant Green's unissued 'Green Acid' session, and in that case I think we have been informed that the tapes can't be located. Perhaps that's the case with this session too?

[Chas]

Christ what a fuckin' BAND!!!!!

Yeah, this would be a great one for the Rare Grooves series.

If there still were a Rare Grooves series that is - the last batch came out in April of 2003 !

Never really dug Wilson's issued sets , so I can't generate any enthusiasm for an unissued one , even one with Ted Dunbar who is eminently diggable .

Speaking of Dunbar , I hope those of you clamoring to hear this unissued Wilson already have The Return of Don Patterson on Muse ( on CD as Genius of the B-3 ) . Same era , same instrumentation as the Wilson , but with Ted Dunbar , Eddie Daniels , and Freddie Waits . Wilson couldn't carry Patterson's Leslie !

[The Magnificent Goldberg]

Christ what a fuckin' BAND!!!!!

Yeah, this would be a great one for the Rare Grooves series.

If there still were a Rare Grooves series that is - the last batch came out in April of 2003 !

Never really dug Wilson's issued sets , so I can't generate any enthusiasm for an unissued one , even one with Ted Dunbar who is eminently diggable .

Speaking of Dunbar , I hope those of you clamoring to hear this unissued Wilson already have The Return of Don Patterson on Muse ( on CD as Genius of the B-3 ) . Same era , same instrumentation as the Wilson , but with Ted Dunbar , Eddie Daniels , and Freddie Waits . Wilson couldn't carry Patterson's Leslie !

Yes, I have almost all of Don's recordings (and all but one of Reuben's). Don't see why I should prefer one to the other since they were trying to do different things, and both succeeding. There are two tenors on the Wilson session and two tenors with organ is relatively rare and terribly special to me. And Ousley is a man whose work I love. So this is a particularly important session to me, or might be.

MG

PS Thinking about it, there are two Reuben Wilson recordings I don't have and two Don Pattersons I don't have.

Edited November 23, 2007 by The Magnificent Goldberg

[Chas]

Yes, I have almost all of Don's recordings (and all but one of Reuben's). Don't see why I should prefer one to the other since they were trying to do different things, and both succeeding.

Kenny G and Coltrane are/were trying to do different things on soprano and succeeding , but that fact neither compels nor precludes the expression of a preference . In other words , your lack of a preference between Wilson/Patterson has nothing to do with recognizing their different aims , and everything to do with your equal sympathy for their respective aims .

reuben wilson was a bit more lightweight in general but it is stupid to compare them. in my opinion.

from my angle, wilson was coming from a younger contemporary kind of sound and patterson was a bit more old school bebop at his heart. they were going for different things. patterson would try to rock you with a parker tune and wilson would rock you with a marvin gaye tune.

The fact that "they were going for different things" does not mean it is "stupid" to compare them . It's both natural and valid to compare how 'what they were trying to' do meshes with 'what I want/need my music to do' . It is also well to be circumspect of musicians' aims , lest we make it easy for musicians of limited technique to deflect criticism by defining their aims in such a way as to avoid comparison with others .

[Chas]

well your comments seem pretty dumb to me.

you say that wilson couldn't hold patteron's jock...to me that is a dumb comment.

if it is your opinion, fine.

but it is like saying gene harris couldn't hold keith jarrett's jockstrap...maybe it is true but it is two different worlds.

What's 'dumb' is not having at one's disposal adjectives beyond 'dumb' and 'stupid' .

"We all occupy different worlds" = "Everything is incommensurable" = The nihilistic solipsism of postmodernism .

[JSngry]

"We all occupy different worlds" = "Everything is incommensurable" = The nihilistic solipsism of postmodernism .

Nonsense.

You can still compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges, and you can still compare apples and oranges so long as you know that they're each what they are and can/will never be the other, nor whould they be, and it's a good thing that they aren't/won't/can't be.

So I'm with the Dumpette here, I dig both, but for different reasons, and it's the recognition of the difference that leads to the appreciation of it, and I do think that I dig Don Patterson a whole lot more than Bobby Pierce and Reuben Wilson a little bit more than Ronnie Foster, so if there's anybody named Niles Istic with a Solar System in any of that, damned if I can see it.

[Chas]

g_d, i find florid adjectives between my teeth when i floss.

Do you find minced oaths in your mincemeat ?

[Chas]

You can still compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges, and you can still compare apples and oranges so long as you know that they're each what they are and can/will never be the other, nor whould they be, and it's a good thing that they aren't/won't/can't be.

Dr. Seuss would have been proud of that sentence

So I'm with the Dumpette here, I dig both, but for different reasons, and it's the recognition of the difference that leads to the appreciation of it...

I don't think it's the recognition of difference per se that leads to your appreciation , which as I said , is more a function of what you want/need the music to do .

[JSngry]

So I'm with the Dumpette here, I dig both, but for different reasons, and it's the recognition of the difference that leads to the appreciation of it...

I don't think it's the recognition of difference per se that leads to your appreciation , which as I said , is more a function of what you want/need the music to do .

All I need is for the goddammedd music to be whatever the fuckke it is so I can listen to it on it own terms, which is all I really want.

Tell me your story.

After that, hey, who knows, and all bets are off. Predispositions exist, but so do surprises, and you don't know until you get there, and maybe not always even then.

But if you don't know by the time you leave, then you got a problem.

[The Magnificent Goldberg]

Kenny G and Coltrane are/were trying to do different things on soprano and succeeding , but that fact neither compels nor precludes the expression of a preference . In other words , your lack of a preference between Wilson/Patterson has nothing to do with recognizing their different aims , and everything to do with your equal sympathy for their respective aims .

Absolutely. At least, in relation to Patterson & Wilson. In relation to Kenny G & Coltrane however, I have a great deal more sympathy for Kenny G's aims than for Coltrane's, because I think jazz musicians should aim for mass acceptance (or at least I enjoy that kind of music more). Nonetheless, I think I have a preference for Coltrane, though I'm not sure because I've never knowingly heard Kenny G.

MG

Edited November 24, 2007 by The Magnificent Goldberg