BLUE NOTE SHOULD OF HAD A CHEAP SUBSIDIARY

[Dan Gould]

Well, it's kind of a mark of BN's "quality control" that they didn't take the subsidiary route, isn't it? It was either deemed worthy for the label or it wasn't.

There were probably some economics involved as well, but really, the "mystique" of the label has a lot to do with the lack of diffusion, no?

Are you forgetting that the label's "quality control" went way South at one point when it embraced shallow funk?

Chris, are you calling Baby Face Willette, John Patton, Lou Donaldson, Freddie Roach, Lonnie Smith, Reuben Wilson, Grant Green, Jimmy Smith, Stan Turrentine & Don Wilkerson shallow funk? Or do you mean what happened after Francis Wolff died?

I'd have to admit that, even with this line up, Blue Note wasn't as good as Prestige at this stuff but dismissing it doesn't seem anywhere near right.

MG

I asked him the same question above and I think he acknowledges that he's referring to the "Dr." Butler, post-Lion/Wolff years.

[AndrewHill]

Well, it's kind of a mark of BN's "quality control" that they didn't take the subsidiary route, isn't it? It was either deemed worthy for the label or it wasn't.

There were probably some economics involved as well, but really, the "mystique" of the label has a lot to do with the lack of diffusion, no?

Are you forgetting that the label's "quality control" went way South at one point when it embraced shallow funk?

Chris, are you calling Baby Face Willette, John Patton, Lou Donaldson, Freddie Roach, Lonnie Smith, Reuben Wilson, Grant Green, Jimmy Smith, Stan Turrentine & Don Wilkerson shallow funk? Or do you mean what happened after Francis Wolff died?

I'd have to admit that, even with this line up, Blue Note wasn't as good as Prestige at this stuff but dismissing it doesn't seem anywhere near right.

MG

I asked him the same question above and I think he acknowledges that he's referring to the "Dr." Butler, post-Lion/Wolff years.

Well Dr. Butler did produce Lee Morgan's "The Last Session" so he couldn't have been all that bad.

[Dan Gould]

Well, it's kind of a mark of BN's "quality control" that they didn't take the subsidiary route, isn't it? It was either deemed worthy for the label or it wasn't.

There were probably some economics involved as well, but really, the "mystique" of the label has a lot to do with the lack of diffusion, no?

Are you forgetting that the label's "quality control" went way South at one point when it embraced shallow funk?

Chris, are you calling Baby Face Willette, John Patton, Lou Donaldson, Freddie Roach, Lonnie Smith, Reuben Wilson, Grant Green, Jimmy Smith, Stan Turrentine & Don Wilkerson shallow funk? Or do you mean what happened after Francis Wolff died?

I'd have to admit that, even with this line up, Blue Note wasn't as good as Prestige at this stuff but dismissing it doesn't seem anywhere near right.

MG

I asked him the same question above and I think he acknowledges that he's referring to the "Dr." Butler, post-Lion/Wolff years.

Well Dr. Butler did produce Lee Morgan's "The Last Session" so he couldn't have been all that bad.

Yeah, well I'm sure he also produced all of those Bobbi Humphrey albums too. Ever hear of the saying that even a stopped clock is right twice a day?

[Christiern]

Well Dr. Butler did produce Lee Morgan's "The Last Session" so he couldn't have been all that bad.

Believe me, he was that bad--no......worse!

[The Magnificent Goldberg]

Well Dr. Butler did produce Lee Morgan's "The Last Session" so he couldn't have been all that bad.

Believe me, he was that bad--no......worse!

I think George Butler is the single most convincing argument against affirmative action.

I DO wish Blue Note would issue the Lou Donaldson session in which there's a track called "Don't worry about it, George".

MG

[chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez]

hey you guys, chewy-chew-chew-here: can you PLU-EEEZE name a few examples of George butler produced BN lps for me?

because i, chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez, as of this day 1/22/08, i would like to make the following Blue Note-releated statement:

*****EVERY SINGLE BLUE NOTE 70s LP IVE EVER HEARD IS REALLY GOOD*****

there, ive said it. Ronnie Foster.....70s lou donaldson, bobbi Humphrey (even though shes a girl and cant improvise, lol), so which ones are the george butler ones, i want to hear what you guys think is a BAD one.....

[The Magnificent Goldberg]

You heard Reuben Wilson's "Set us free"?

I've got a lot of this stuff (but not "Set us free" any more - flogged in disgust), little of it's very good. Some is good, some is quite nice and most is acceptable to someone who's already a fan.

Very good examples

Grant Green - Visions (though some don't like that kind of thing, it's great of its kind)

Lou Donaldson - Sophisticated Lou (as above)

Bobby Hutcherson at Montreux (but Butler wouldn't have had much say in that )

MG