Sonny Rollins Roadshows Vol 1

[leadingoboe]

I'm trying to gather some reliable discography information about this album, an album I'd throughly recommend. All the sites I've found so far indicate that it's a collection of previously unreleased private recordings from 1980 to 2007, made in Japan, Sweden, Poland, Canada, France and the US.but listening to it makes me wonder who's trying to pull who's leg.

1) It all sounds like the same vintage of Rollins - Newk, of all players, has ALWAYS developed style-wise.

2) It sounds very much like exactly the same location acoustics, and about the same size audience.

3) The tracks themselves belie the published information.

Track 1 (Best Wishes - "1986-05-25, Tokyo") runs smoothly, with identical audience noise, into

Track 2 (More Than You Know - "2006-05-15, Toulouse") same thing, into

Track 3 (Blossom - "1980-10-25 - Umeå"), at the end, the audience starts clapping rhythmically, the rhythm

continuing smoothly into

Track 4 (Easy Living - "1980-10-23 Warsaw"), at the end of which Rollins announces "Tenor Madness", directly

into

Track 5 (Tenor Madness - "2000-06-08 - Tama City"). Now, at the close, Rollins thanks the audience, "Deeply"

for coming to hear him in Victoria, "... it's our first time in Victoria" and starts into

Track 6 (Nice Lady - "2007-06-24 - Victoria"), finally introducing "... from South Pacific, called Some Enchanted

Evening", and so to

Track 7 (Some Enchanted Evening - "2007-09-18 New York").

There are two possibilities I can see: one, that I have some kind of bootleg album, but all the track times agree;

two, somebody's lying. I cannot imagine a record producer inserting canned applause, MATCHING applause at that, into a compilation of private recordings from over a period of seventeen years.

I remember well my excitement when I first acquired "The Bridge" from 1962. 45 years later he sounds even better!

[GA Russell]

Bob, you'll find discussion of this album here:

http://www.organissimo.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=46366

[danasgoodstuff]

Bob,

No offence, but I think you're tripping. The '80s tracks have the high note stuff that appeared in his work breifly then. Other than that his approach hasn't really varied all that much in recent decades. Love this album, looking forward to more.

Dana

[leadingoboe]

Bob,

No offence, but I think you're tripping. The '80s tracks have the high note stuff that appeared in his work breifly then. Other than that his approach hasn't really varied all that much in recent decades. Love this album, looking forward to more.

Dana

Dana,

No offence taken, or very little.

You may be right, but how do you explain the fact that, on my version of the album at least, at the end of Tenor Madness, in a voice-over (that's voice simultaneous with diminishing applause), I can clearly hear somebody, presumably Rollins himself, saying "Uh thank you, deeply, uh ladies and gentlemen, for coming to see (us) in Victoria. This is our first time in Victoria", when the track is supposed to have been recorded in Tama City, Japan?

I am old, but not senile, and am definitely not tripping - at least not in the sense you were implying - but I do want to be confident that my discography database contains reliable information, even if it is only for my own sake.

I can't imagine why any studio engineer constructing an album would spend so much effort in mixing to make a thank you which was obviously uttered in 2007 in Victoria BC, sound simultaneous with the tail-end of a recording made seven years earlier. What would be the point?

Of course, it's possible that that's not the way it sounds on your copy of the album. I'd be very interested if that is the case, so that I can take up the issue with my supplier, although it won't interfere with my enjoyment of one of the best albums it's been my pleasure to listen to for a number of years.

[leadingoboe]

try reducing the dosage of whatever pills you are taking. they are making you paranoid.

That particular suggestion I DO find offensive. Constructive criticism is welcome at all times, rudeness is not.

[Indestructible!]

try reducing the dosage of whatever pills you are taking. they are making you paranoid.

That particular suggestion I DO find offensive. Constructive criticism is welcome at all times, rudeness is not.

Bob,

Don't take anyting "helen fong" says too seriously. He has changed his "name" on this board several times, and has been known to spout some fairly innane things from time to time. My advice would be to just ignore him... don't let him put you off of what is an otherwise excellent bulletin board.

As for your question, I don't have an answer... but I would be interested in any information you might find on this issue.

Cheers,

Shane

[Indestructible!]

i don't think i have a bad rep and what does changing my name have to do with anything?

I wouldn't say you have a bad reputation necessarily, but (IMO) you do spout some off the wall stuff from time to time. The above is a good example... Why are you talking shit to a newcomer to the board who has a valid question?

Personally, I'd like Bob to stick around the board as he certainly seems to care about the music... no need to give him grief over a question like this.

Sorry to derail the thread...

Cheers,

Shane

[leadingoboe]

i don't think i have a bad rep and what does changing my name have to do with anything?

I wouldn't say you have a bad reputation necessarily, but (IMO) you do spout some off the wall stuff from time to time. The above is a good example... Why are you talking shit to a newcomer to the board who has a valid question?

Personally, I'd like Bob to stick around the board as he certainly seems to care about the music... no need to give him grief over a question like this.

Sorry to derail the thread...

Cheers,

Shane

Thanks, Shane, for your encouraging words - they are the nearest thing to a welcome I've received so far.

From a point of view of my love of listening to jazz, I don't give a toss about who's playing, or when, or where, but, having decided to create and maintain a database containing such information, I have added a new dimension to my hobby, which keeps me happy and occupied in my retirement.

As to my question, I could paraphrase a well-known tag by saying YCLTI.

I believe you have Thanksgiving this weekend. We English celebrate Thanksgiving on July 4th, of course, but have a good one anyway!

Bob

[papsrus]

Thanks, Shane, for your encouraging words - they are the nearest thing to a welcome I've received so far.

Bob

Don't have anything to add, other than "Welcome!!"

[marcello]

Yes, keep posting.

[kh1958]

I hadn't seen this Rollins before, but Dustygroove has it for sale right now--

There Will Never Be Another You

Sonny Rollins

$12.99 ... CD

CD (Item 478034) ABC/Universal (Japan), 1965/1978 -- Condition: New Copy

A great lost chapter in the career of Sonny Rollins -- material recorded live at MOMA in 1965, but unissued until this brief package in the late 70s! The work is right up there with Rollins' best for RCA at the time, and almost feels a bit like his live Village Vanguard material from Blue Note -- freewheeling, open, and with that continuously creative style that marks his solo talents at their best! The group's a quartet -- with Tommy Flanagan on piano, Bob Cranshaw on bass, and either Billy Higgins or Mickey Roker on drums -- and tracks are longish, and have that arch mix of modern and traditional modes that we always appreciate in Rollins. Titles include "On Green Dolphin Street", "To A Wild Rose", "Three Little Words", and "There Will Never Be Another You". © 1996-2008, Dusty Groove America, Inc.

[marcello]

This was on LP. I have it.

Impulse - 1978

The playing is very good, but Sonny is off mike from time to time.

[Peter Friedman]

I hadn't seen this Rollins before, but Dustygroove has it for sale right now--

There Will Never Be Another You

Sonny Rollins

$12.99 ... CD

CD (Item 478034) ABC/Universal (Japan), 1965/1978 -- Condition: New Copy

A great lost chapter in the career of Sonny Rollins -- material recorded live at MOMA in 1965, but unissued until this brief package in the late 70s! The work is right up there with Rollins' best for RCA at the time, and almost feels a bit like his live Village Vanguard material from Blue Note -- freewheeling, open, and with that continuously creative style that marks his solo talents at their best! The group's a quartet -- with Tommy Flanagan on piano, Bob Cranshaw on bass, and either Billy Higgins or Mickey Roker on drums -- and tracks are longish, and have that arch mix of modern and traditional modes that we always appreciate in Rollins. Titles include "On Green Dolphin Street", "To A Wild Rose", "Three Little Words", and "There Will Never Be Another You". © 1996-2008, Dusty Groove America, Inc.

This was released on CD in Japan a long time ago. I have had it on CD for at least 15 years.

[CJ Shearn]

Bob, welcome to the board. I think to answer your question, it isn't "canned applause" so much but the decision to edit the album as a continuous live performance, an approach I personally prefer rather than fading the applause after every track. I've read that what's done is they take the natural end of tune applause from one performances, and blend in the tail end of applause from the next track's venue so there is a smooth transition when the applause quiets. That would account for your questioning Sonny's announcement at the beginning of "Nice Lady" being from Victoria when the previous track was recorded in Japan.

[JSngry]

Pro Tools is a bitch!

[MartyJazz]

I'm trying to gather some reliable discography information about this album, an album I'd throughly recommend. All the sites I've found so far indicate that it's a collection of previously unreleased private recordings from 1980 to 2007, made in Japan, Sweden, Poland, Canada, France and the US.but listening to it makes me wonder who's trying to pull who's leg.

1) It all sounds like the same vintage of Rollins - Newk, of all players, has ALWAYS developed style-wise.

2) It sounds very much like exactly the same location acoustics, and about the same size audience.

3) The tracks themselves belie the published information.

Track 1 (Best Wishes - "1986-05-25, Tokyo") runs smoothly, with identical audience noise, into

Track 2 (More Than You Know - "2006-05-15, Toulouse") same thing, into

Track 3 (Blossom - "1980-10-25 - Umeå"), at the end, the audience starts clapping rhythmically, the rhythm

continuing smoothly into

Track 4 (Easy Living - "1980-10-23 Warsaw"), at the end of which Rollins announces "Tenor Madness", directly

into

Track 5 (Tenor Madness - "2000-06-08 - Tama City"). Now, at the close, Rollins thanks the audience, "Deeply"

for coming to hear him in Victoria, "... it's our first time in Victoria" and starts into

Track 6 (Nice Lady - "2007-06-24 - Victoria"), finally introducing "... from South Pacific, called Some Enchanted

Evening", and so to

Track 7 (Some Enchanted Evening - "2007-09-18 New York").

There are two possibilities I can see: one, that I have some kind of bootleg album, but all the track times agree;

two, somebody's lying. I cannot imagine a record producer inserting canned applause, MATCHING applause at that, into a compilation of private recordings from over a period of seventeen years.

I remember well my excitement when I first acquired "The Bridge" from 1962. 45 years later he sounds even better!

As I have personally given Carl Smith some private Sonny material (none included on this "Road Shows" release), I forwarded this thread to him and here is his response:

"Tracks 1,3 and 4 of the Road Shows CD (more than 30 minutes) are from my collection and the rest from Sonny's soundboard tapes. The notes in the CD are all correct as to date, venue and personnel. The applause has been edited to give the impression and feel of one concert and the tracks were mastered so as to reduce the differences in sound character from one track to another. It's funny that one fellow on the forum feels they all sound the same. A reviewer complained that he is bothered by the great differences in sound between the ones from my collection (which were taped from radio and TV broadcasts by fans) and the soundboard tapes. Can't please everybody. In any event, I'm deeply gratified to get more than 30 minutes of what I consider Sonny's best work before the jazz public. That's as much as an LP! And there will be more of my stuff on future Road Shows CDs. "

[CJ Shearn]

excellent response from Carl Smith regarding the continuity so thank him for that . That's pretty much what I tried to say as well

[leadingoboe]

As I have personally given Carl Smith some private Sonny material (none included on this "Road Shows" release), I forwarded this thread to him and here is his response:

"Tracks 1,3 and 4 of the Road Shows CD (more than 30 minutes) are from my collection and the rest from Sonny's soundboard tapes. The notes in the CD are all correct as to date, venue and personnel. The applause has been edited to give the impression and feel of one concert and the tracks were mastered so as to reduce the differences in sound character from one track to another. It's funny that one fellow on the forum feels they all sound the same. A reviewer complained that he is bothered by the great differences in sound between the ones from my collection (which were taped from radio and TV broadcasts by fans) and the soundboard tapes. Can't please everybody. In any event, I'm deeply gratified to get more than 30 minutes of what I consider Sonny's best work before the jazz public. That's as much as an LP! And there will be more of my stuff on future Road Shows CDs. "

Thank you very much MartyJazz for that explanation, now I can update my database with confidence. An odd practice, in my opinion, but, as you say, you can't please everyone. Anyway, if the series continues at the same high standard as volume one, I'll be on tenterhooks waiting for subsequent volumes.

[MartyJazz]

As I have personally given Carl Smith some private Sonny material (none included on this "Road Shows" release), I forwarded this thread to him and here is his response:

"Tracks 1,3 and 4 of the Road Shows CD (more than 30 minutes) are from my collection and the rest from Sonny's soundboard tapes. The notes in the CD are all correct as to date, venue and personnel. The applause has been edited to give the impression and feel of one concert and the tracks were mastered so as to reduce the differences in sound character from one track to another. It's funny that one fellow on the forum feels they all sound the same. A reviewer complained that he is bothered by the great differences in sound between the ones from my collection (which were taped from radio and TV broadcasts by fans) and the soundboard tapes. Can't please everybody. In any event, I'm deeply gratified to get more than 30 minutes of what I consider Sonny's best work before the jazz public. That's as much as an LP! And there will be more of my stuff on future Road Shows CDs. "

Thank you very much MartyJazz for that explanation, now I can update my database with confidence. An odd practice, in my opinion, but, as you say, you can't please everyone. Anyway, if the series continues at the same high standard as volume one, I'll be on tenterhooks waiting for subsequent volumes.

Thanks for the thanks but Carl Smith himself was gracious enough to promptly clarify the misconceptions you or others may have had about the material on Sonny's latest CD. I simply relayed CS's response that included his "Can't please everybody" remark.

Edited November 30, 2008 by MartyJazz

[leadingoboe]

As I have personally given Carl Smith some private Sonny material (none included on this "Road Shows" release), I forwarded this thread to him and here is his response:

"Tracks 1,3 and 4 of the Road Shows CD (more than 30 minutes) are from my collection and the rest from Sonny's soundboard tapes. The notes in the CD are all correct as to date, venue and personnel. The applause has been edited to give the impression and feel of one concert and the tracks were mastered so as to reduce the differences in sound character from one track to another. It's funny that one fellow on the forum feels they all sound the same. A reviewer complained that he is bothered by the great differences in sound between the ones from my collection (which were taped from radio and TV broadcasts by fans) and the soundboard tapes. Can't please everybody. In any event, I'm deeply gratified to get more than 30 minutes of what I consider Sonny's best work before the jazz public. That's as much as an LP! And there will be more of my stuff on future Road Shows CDs. "

Thank you very much MartyJazz for that explanation, now I can update my database with confidence. An odd practice, in my opinion, but, as you say, you can't please everyone. Anyway, if the series continues at the same high standard as volume one, I'll be on tenterhooks waiting for subsequent volumes.

Thanks for the thanks but Carl Smith himself was gracious enough to promptly clarify the misconceptions you or others may have had about the material on Sonny's latest CD. I simply relayed CS's response that included his "Can't please everybody" remark.

Well, maybe you can convey my thanks to Carl Smith for me. I'd appreciate it.

BTW, do you know if it's possible to insert a signature in these posts? I mean automatically.

Hälsningar/Regards, Bob