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yep, looking forward to that Polwechsel disc, it's supposed to be out next month sometime.

I wonder if this evil Abbey man's music (which I've been listening to and enjoying all day today :rsmile: ) has anything to do with this.

glad you're enjoying that stuff! any specifics, pro or con, yet?

once you go eai, you can never go back. :bwallace:

Jon, to be entirely honest, I listened to non-Erst stuff from your package. Are you still interested in my opinion ;)?

But today I'll tackle Duos for Dorris and poire_z+.

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Finishing listening to Duos for Doris (for those not in-the-know: this is a duo of Keith Rowe and John Tilbury, released on Erstwhile).

I am stunned. I haven't listened to anything this beautiful for a long time.

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Anybody heard Tilbury's duo with Evan Parker Two Chapters and an Epilogue on Matchless?

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Anybody heard Tilbury's duo with Evan Parker Two Chapters and an Epilogue on Matchless?

It's been quite a while (more than a year maybe) since my last spin. Neither budges much (and Parker even less than on Dark Rags, for example) and there is very little of the charged ping-pong improv here you might expect Parker to bring in - as Tilbury maintains a background typically unconducive to such improv (interestingly, he also contributes a number of uncharacteristically busy and fleet fingered passages). It's a fine disc though once a year is probably how much I'll return to it. Over the weekend, once I'm back in Fontainebleau and have access to it, I will play this album and see what I make of it.

edit: One closer to Hans.

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So how is the solo career going? ;)

Better than expected, thanks!

When I posted that picture I didn't realize there really was a Funny Rat / Kajagoogoo connection. From Limahl.com:

"Limahl has just signed a new recording/production deal with successful German producer Thorsten Brötzmann. The brand new single 'Tell me why' (co -written by Limahl/T Brötzmann/A. Geringas/Ivo Mohring) is scheduled for release in early 2006 by Germany's ZYX Music. "

I wonder if there is any connection between Thorsten and Peter Brötzmann? Funny Rat 2 - Shoji Hano, Peter Brötzmann and Limahl. Now THAT would be an album!

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I listened to non-Erst stuff from your package. Are you still interested in my opinion ;)?

Which discs did you get?

I just received Trio Sowari - Three Dances and Tomas Korber - Effacement. Both are very good, on first listen.

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I listened to non-Erst stuff from your package. Are you still interested in my opinion ;)?

Which discs did you get?

I just received Trio Sowari - Three Dances and Tomas Korber - Effacement. Both are very good, on first listen.

Here is what I ordered this time:

Bernhard Günter/Graham Halliwell/Mark Wastell (+minus)-A Rainy Koran Verse [uK Live] (Trente Oiseaux)

Graham Halliwell-Recorded Delivery (Confront Collectors Series)

Serge Baghdassarians & Boris Baltschun-13:46\11:04\25:09\\ (Charhizma)

Dieb13-Restructuring (Charhizma)

Efzeg-würm (Charhizma)

Werner Dafeldecker/Christof Kurzmann/Christian Fennesz/Jim O'Rourke/Kevin Drumm-orange (Charhizma)

Werner Dafeldecker/Christof Kurzmann/Kevin Drumm/eRikm/Dieb13/Jerome Noetinger-green (Charhizma)

Kai Fagaschinski/Michael Renkel-Rebecca (Charhizma)

Christof Kurzmann-The Air Between (Charhizma)

Andrea Neumann/Annette Krebs-Rotophormen (Charhizma)

Damion Romero-You Can Tell By The Blur (Orange) (Chondritic)

Doug Theriault/Jeph Jerman-Red, Water (Fargone Records) (CDr)

Bhob Rainey/Jon Mueller/Jim Schoenecker-No Title (Crouton)

eRikm/Martin Tetreault/Otomo Yoshihide-Trace Cuts (Musica Genera)

It will take me till the end of the year to go through all of them (I have a waiting list, you know :rfr ), so if there is any one in particular you want me to listen to and report on here, let me know.

I think I have the vast majority of the Ersts by now. Of what I listened to, I liked about 50% (of the top of my head: "Bart", "Particles and smears", "The world turned upside down", "La voyelle liquide", "Wrapped Islands", "What a wonderful world", "VHF"), didn't care for the rest ("We are everyone in the room", "Too beautiful to burn"), and actively disliked a few ("Live at LU", "Do", "Weather Sky", "Fire song", the one with Kelley). Duos for Doris overshadows everything else I've heard in the Erstwhile catalog so far.

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Duos For Doris is incredible, regardless of my limited exposure to this world of music. I've also listened to Too Beautiful To Burn on numerous occasssions and enjoyed it more each time. Have you heard The Hands of the Caravaggio?

I think I just need more Tillbury.

Anyone care to comment on Cosmos Tears?

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Duos For Doris is incredible, regardless of my limited exposure to this world of music. I've also listened to Too Beautiful To Burn on numerous occasssions and enjoyed it more each time. Have you heard The Hands of the Caravaggio?

I think I just need more Tillbury.

Anyone care to comment on Cosmos Tears?

Cosmos: "Tears" is one of the few Ersts I decided to skip - this M lady with her sinister waves is driving me bananas.

I think I also need more Tilbury. Amazon.de has this little thingy:

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Feldman. Tilbury. That's a 4-CD set, mind you. Any thoughts?

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Too beautiful to burn is nice but a bit too pretty, IMO.

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On a tangential subject, Duos for Doris has an inscription:

"This music is respectfully dedicated to the memory of my mother Doris, who died on January 5, 2003, in her 96th year, just two days before this recording was made".

John Tilbury

I was thinking about this. There is obvioulsy a whole depth of emotion associated with somebody's mother passing away. It is touching that the music is dedicated to her. But is this "respectfully" really necessery here? What is the importance of Doris being in her 96th year? Don't these words just belittle the subject, grand enough in itself not to require any explanatory detials? I feel that the shalloweness (IMHO) of this dedication contradicts to the both its subject and the astonishing depth of the music.

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that Feldman Tilbury box is among the most essential items in my collection, the last two CDs are as good as music gets. I doubt Amazon.de actually has one, they're hard to find these days, although I believe you can still get them from Matchless directly.

On a tangential subject, Duos for Doris has an inscription:

"This music is respectfully dedicated to the memory of my mother Doris, who died on January 5, 2003, in her 96th year, just two days before this recording was made".

John Tilbury

I was thinking about this. There is obviously a whole depth of emotion associated with somebody's mother passing away. It is touching that the music is dedicated to her. But is this "respectfully" really necessary here? What is the importance of Doris being in her 96th year? Don't these words just belittle the subject, grand enough in itself not to require any explanatory detials? I feel that the shallowness (IMHO) of this dedication contradicts to the both its subject and the astonishing depth of the music.

wow, there's a new one. her sudden illness and subsequent death, all in the few days before this recording session, was obviously a pretty large part of John's mindset during these recordings (we cancelled one of the originally planned two days, and probably would have cancelled both if myself and Brian Olewnick weren't already in France), so afterwards Keith and I suggested dedicating the record to her. so those guys chose the album name, and John wrote the dedication. maybe the word "respectfully" was chosen because John knows she wouldn't really like the specific music so much, but it's not some kind of rebellious thing, it's genuine.

as for "What is the importance of Doris being in her 96th year?", it's a mini-obituary, for crying out loud. do you realize you're critiquing the word choice made by a son (and an accomplished writer, his Cardew biography is supposedly nearing completion) in his mother's memory, a woman you know absolutely nothing about? do you really feel comfortable doing that?

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FWIW, I think the Sachiko/Toshi Ersts (do, Weather Sky, Cosmos, Good Morning Good Night) are some of the strongest releases on the label, those would probably all be in my personal top 10 or 12. I wouldn't expect them to be big favorites around these parts, though.

Cosmos will be making their US debut in late September at ErstQuake 3 in NYC, I'm really excited about that, haven't seen them since 2002.

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as for "What is the importance of Doris being in her 96th year?", it's a mini-obituary, for crying out loud. do you realize you're critiquing the word choice made by a son (and an accomplished writer, his Cardew biography is supposedly nearing completion) in his mother's memory, a woman you know absolutely nothing about? do you really feel comfortable doing that?

Jon, I realize that, and no I am not comfortable bringing this up. But I am uncomfortable with this inscription either. And this is precisely the point that this dedication is written for the attention of the people who know nothing about Tilbury's mother.
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I think I'll be buying that Feldman/Tillbury set. I've never ordered from an overseas Amazon. Anything I should know?

You will get the German VAT deducted, so with shipping to the US (€14) your total will be €67. You might be able to find it cheaper in the US.

Amazon.de does not have this set in stock, so it will take them two months or so, but they will most likely get it - they are very reliable in this regard (unlike amazon.co.uk for example). Otherwise, ordering process is the same as at amazon.com.

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New Potlatch CD will be available in the first week of april 2006.

The Contest of Pleasures

Albi Days

John Butcher (tenor and soprano saxophones), Xavier Charles (clarinet), Axel Dörner (trumpet)

Recorded by Laurent Sassi at GMEA, Albi, in march/april 2005.

Potlatch P205

The trio The Contest of Pleasures first performed at the Musique Action festival (in may 1999).

They were recorded live the following year at the Mulhouse festival for Potlatch.

They have toured mainly in France and played in festivals in other countries too.

During spring 2005, they had a one-week recording session in Albi (southwestern France) at GMEA studios where sound engineer Laurent Sassi recorded them in different situations.

Afterwards, each musician mixed pieces selected from the recordings. Their music has significantly changed after all these years and moreover, these pieces can be considered as compositions made from improvisations. As John Butcher said : « We made pieces, edited from the many hours of music. Music concrete, composition maybe, that still, most of the time, to me anyway, sounds like musicians improvising together. »

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I think I also need more Tilbury. Amazon.de has this little thingy:

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Feldman. Tilbury. That's a 4-CD set, mind you. Any thoughts?

Don't have the reputation to be the best interpretation of MORTON FEDMAN piano music mostly because the quality of the piano.

If you want to hear more TILBURY, try his duo with EDDIE PREVOST call DISCRETE MOMENTS (MATCHLESS MRCD58) and their duo version of AMM also very beautifull NORWICH: AMM AT UA (MATCHLESS MRCD64).

You can buy all of this (and the TILBURY/ FELDMAN) directly from MATCHLESS

(www.matchlessrecordings.com).

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Don't have the reputation to be the best interpretation of MORTON FEDMAN piano music mostly because the quality of the piano.

I've never heard that personally, sounds like a classical geek opinion. I know dozens of people who consider this set one of their favorite recordings of any music.

If you want to hear more TILBURY, try his duo with EDDIE PREVOST call DISCRETE MOMENTS (MATCHLESS MRCD58) and their duo version of AMM also very beautifull NORWICH: AMM AT UA (MATCHLESS MRCD64).

Discrete Moments is a pretty awful record (IMO), Norwich is decidedly better. you can hear much more Tilbury on the recently released duo with Marcus Schmickler, Variety (A-Musik), which is about 80 percent Tilbury, a very nice record.

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Discrete Moments is a pretty awful record (IMO)

Yep, interely your opinion. Permit me to think the exact contrary.

Norwich is decidedly better.

I like NORWICH too.

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Yep, interely your opinion. Permit me to think the exact contrary.

sure, that's the beauty of the internet. one problem is it's very muddily recorded. there's one nice long track in the middle, but even that one is frustrating to me because of the lack of sonic clarity.

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Have you heard The Hands of the Caravaggio?

I listened to it today for the first time. Twice in a row. It's excellent. Different in feel than Duos for Doris - more joyful and aggessive. It's remarkacble that despite there being 13 musicians, it is very tightly organized.
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13 musicians! Wow! That could be very interesting.

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David: Thanks for spotting that solo Bhob Rainey disk you mentioned above. I ordered a copy.

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Bassist Damon Smith posted what follows on a few boards:

New CD: BPALTD202 Domo Arigato Derek-Sensei! Henry Kaiser Solo/Duo/Trio

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Henry Kaiser solo, duo and trio with Derek Bailey, Motoharu Yoshizwawa, Kiku Day, Toshinori Kondo, Henry Kuntz, Davey Williams, John Oswald, Sang-Won Park, Mototeru Tagakagi, Greg Goodman, Larry Ochs, Damon Smith, Charles K. Noyes & Andea Centazzo.

Includes a playing/talking book review of Ben Watson's "Derek Bailey and the Story of Free Improvisation"

you can hear an MP3 of the Kaiser/Smith duo here: http://myspace.com/smithdamon

all profits go to INCUS records.

If you would like a copy please send a paypal for $15pp worldwide to damon@balancepointacoustics.com

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Bassist Damon Smith posted what follows on a few boards:

New CD: BPALTD202 Domo Arigato Derek-Sensei! Henry Kaiser Solo/Duo/Trio

mask_cover_comp2.jpg

Henry Kaiser solo, duo and trio with Derek Bailey, Motoharu Yoshizwawa, Kiku Day, Toshinori Kondo, Henry Kuntz, Davey Williams, John Oswald, Sang-Won Park, Mototeru Tagakagi, Greg Goodman, Larry Ochs, Damon Smith, Charles K. Noyes & Andea Centazzo.

Includes a playing/talking book review of Ben Watson's "Derek Bailey and the Story of Free Improvisation"

you can hear an MP3 of the Kaiser/Smith duo here: http://myspace.com/smithdamon

all profits go to INCUS records.

If you would like a copy please send a paypal for $15pp worldwide to damon@balancepointacoustics.com

I wonder if they have all this talking all throughout the disc :wacko:

Btw, nice man Damon Smith included a bonus CD with with 4 CDs I got form him on e-bay. Haven't listend to any of them yet.

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:excited:

That would be Saint Of Killers? It's really not too bad, just too flippin' loud.

"highest recommendation to disturbed individuals who refuse to take their medication and really appreciate fucked up sonic mayhem played by talented individuals who can play like the devil and are determined to do something creatively different.

- AURAL INNOVATIONS

Wondering who that vocalist might be, I googled for an image of Jesse Quatro.

Jesse_Quattro.jpg

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Don't have the reputation to be the best interpretation of MORTON FEDMAN piano music mostly because the quality of the piano.

P.L.M., what solo piano interpretation of Feldman would you recommend?

David: Thanks for spotting that solo Bhob Rainey disk you mentioned above. I ordered a copy.

Jazzloft also carries Butcher/Durrant/Russell: "Concert Moves" (Random Acoustics) that I haven't seen elsewhere. I remember Nate praised this one highly.

:excited:

That would be Saint Of Killers? It's really not too bad, just too flippin' loud.

Tony, what happened to your once-exquisite taste?!?!

Me? I am buying this CD, for sure.

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