BFT 64 Disc 1 Discussion Thread

[Dan Gould]

I know some of these tracks aren't "jazz" - please be gentle and if you didn't know some of them, I think you'll be pleased when at least a couple of the participants ID most if not all of them.

[tkeith]

1-No clue, but the tone of the lyrics reminds me of the attitude of The Humble Farmer (http://www.thehumblefarmer.com/), likely, he'd recognize it.

2-Fun listen, no clue who it be.

3-See comment on #2.

4-Has what I think of as that classic Ray Charles feel, but to my ear, this sounds like it may be older.

5-B.B. King singing with members of the Ellington band. I've heard this before, but forget who exactly is on the record. If I remember correctly, it's back-up guys from Duke's band, not the main guys (rab/carney). Believe it's Norris Turney on alto and Danny Bank on bari.

6-Is this. Know that voice anywhere.

7-This sounds like a Blues How To manual. I'm hearing a lot of Joe Henderson in the tenor, but the tone sounds more muscular than Joe. Some of the ideas, though, are right out of late-60s Joe, so it could be. That lick in the turn around is the same one Cannonball uses at the end of his solo on Freddie the Freeloader. Good stuff.

8-And there's the lick again. No idea, but fun.

9-Watermelon Man, I don't know who, but I hear a Varitone on that sax. No clue.

10-Wind bass makes me think of Dirty Dozen Brass Band, but the sax player doesn't seem to have the polish. Not much in this one for me.

11-Strollin'. It's from this. A friend gave me this a few years back trying to sell me on Watts. Just not a huge fan of him or Christlieb. I like PC when he's out of the Jazz setting (like with Tom Waits, or other rock-side recordings), but he just doesn't reach me in the strict jazz setting. The recording does NOT help this at all.

12-This isn't quite as cool as it wants to be, but I like it. Sounds like Turrentine to me, but when he was older. Could be Plas Johnson, too... definitely an older cat on a modern recording. Even a little like Von Freeman in the upper register. I'll guess Von Freeman for the first guy. Second guy sounds like Teddy Edwards to me.

13-This reminds me of one of those Gene Harris bands with Sweets. Tenor sounds like Getz to me, but a little on the bluesy side for him. Sounds like one of those Concord recordings (or similar), in that it's not a working band. Don't care for the bass solo at all. It's a nice tune, nicely done, but I don't think I'd ever pull it out of the sleeve just to hear it.

14-Walton, or his tune, anyway. Midnight Waltz, or Twilight Waltz (depending on the record). Hmm... McPhersonesque tone, but not quite as strong. Not sure if it's Cedar, either. Not Billy Higgins, either... intrigued. Piano sounds like a more modern player playing like Cedar. Has studied his John Hicks lines, too. Alto sounds a helluva lot like Cannonball to me, but he was long dead when this was recorded, so it must be Jim Snidero. This is pretty good stuff, what's the rest of the record like?

15-These have to be modern guys because they build a nice mood and then try to get too tricky with the improvisation, instead of just playing the song. I can actually hear the equations in the tenor solo. Guy has a very Shorter-esque sound, but the whole thing is missing fire, to my ear. Alto is more of the same. No thanks.

[Dan Gould]

You never expressed an interest in my BFT, Thom but I'm glad you got your hands on the download, some of your IDs are right on target. Does Rickey Woodard do anything for you on the Tenor Trio disc or elsewhere?

[Jim R]

Disc 1:

1. Interesting. The first thing I need to figure out is why the sound quality on this seems too good for the 1940's. I've never heard this before, but it seems like I should have.

2. That raspy voice reminds me of Johnny Guitar Watson (not him, however). In this case, it almost sounds like a guy who doesn't sing full time. Not bad, but I don't really feel a need to listen to this one again.

3. Vocal delivery is reminiscent of Charles Brown (not him, but he has a similar sound to my ears). Good stuff.

4. Groovy soul. Sounds like early to mid-60's. I'm pretty sure I've heard this before, but apparently not often enough to have committed it to memory. I have a feeling I'm going to kick myself for not knowing this.

5. I think we all know that voice, although it's not everyday you hear him singing an EKE tune (and without any guitar playing). At any rate, nice... very nice. I think this one was on Crown, circa 1960.

6. Whoa, something happened to the sound quality on this one. Anyway, I own this http://www.artistdirect.com/nad/store/arti...,236393,00.html.

7. Sounds like a Prestige session from the 60's... don't think I own this one. Sounds like "Next time you see me". Don Patterson?

8. There it is again. I always dug this tune, always a big hit at blues festivals. I don't even know who wrote this or recorded it first, but I think this is Junior Parker.

9. Cool beans (or shall I say fruit). Not sure I've ever heard this (blues) artist do this (jazz) tune... which is something in common here with track 5... another blues great doing something a bit different. With Dan, I'm always aware that I could be listening to something rare/unreleased, but it at least I recognized the guitarist... seems that this was Otis's band. Not sure who's playing sax... is that a varitone?

10. I should know the name of this tune... but I've lost it. Anyway, not a personal favorite. Not real keen on the tuba and the New Orleans vibe either, but that's just me. Well played, without a doubt.

11. There's something weird going on for me (listening in iTunes) with the sound on a lot of these. A certain amount of distracting distortion. Anyway, this is pretty tasty... hard to go wrong with a great Horace Silver tune. Fairly standard arrangement, but nice. I don't recognize any of the soloists.

12. Never heard this before. The head seems a little dull to me in terms of the unison lines being so drawn out. I would have preferred at least a bit of harmonic counterpoint... at some point... if you see my point (sorry). Again, I think this is well played. I don't recognize who's blowin'.

13. Like track 12, we have a rather mundane (to my ears) blues melody played as a unison line, albeit this time around with a sax and a trumpet. I find it rather dull... at the moment, anyway. The horns on this have a bit more character, imo, but I'm not getting any strong sense of who they are. Fairly economical piano style. All very polished and swingin' along nicely. I like this a bit better, but not sure I'd cough up any cash for it.

14. Wow, I haven't heard this tune in a long time, and I used to hear it all the time (on KCSM, mainly). Note to self... learn to play this tune. Apparently the aforementioned distortion is at its worst in the sonic range of an alto sax. This guy is good, though, and I'm enjoying this. I need to think more about this one.

15. Another one that's completely new to me. This one has a certain drama that grabbed me from the get-go. I'm not going to venture any guesses here, just going to sit back and enjoy.

Thanks, Dan. On to disc 2.

[Jim R]

Well, I was going to say that #14 is this, and now I see that Thom already nailed it.

[JSngry]

AAAAARRRGH - halfway through posting and hit the wrong something, DAMN!

Oh well. Shorter answrers this time. Ambien's kicking in.

TRACK ONE - Crabby Chick dodn't dig the band. No time for that. But I found her CD online anyways.

TRACK TWO - Billy Higgins on drums, Has to be. Interenet suggests a 45 from a Teddy Edwards session. But that IS Billly Higgins on drums.

TRACK TRHREE - An this one really bugs me, I should know the singer, Really well known, West coast cat, I think, and damned if I can call him. I've got some sides ny him too...not Charles Brown, I don't think, but somebody who came in Brown's wake. I really shpuld know who this is dammit.

TRACK FOUR - Sounds like Don Wilkerson on tenor, beyond that, I have no call. From the live Houston club tapes?

TRACK FIVE - When did this happen and why am I just now hearing it?

TRACK SIX - Johnnie Adams and a most distinguished cast of genuine characters. No problems.

TRACK SEVEN - Tightness. The good kind. Junior Cook on tenor?

TRACK EIGHT - Junior Parker. I still play this song regularly, and people still dance to it. The people have spoken.

TRACK NINE - Yeah, ok. Something "foreign" seems to be in there, not sure what. Sounds like a warmup cut, early on in the show and review. Plenty of time left defore Star Time gets here,

TRACK TEN - I like Otis' live version & Grant's version better than anybody's. Nut this one seems to be trying to be friendly, so no need to step on it.

TRACK ELEVEN - Sorry man, can't make it. My tux is in the cleaners. Love to Nancy, ok? Great, maybe next year.

TRACK TWELVE - I. B. Puzzled. Noah Dih. Toot Inners. Maybe some very late in life Griff?

TRACK THIRTEEN - Sweets. I think. Can't go wrong. Otherwise, hey, lord knows it could be far worse.

TRACK FOURTEEN - I like this.Frisky! Not particularly revelatory, but well-played and pleasant to listen to.

TRACK FIFTEEN - Expository! I think I like it. I sure don't dislike it! Ambien's kicking in, will need to revisit again, but sure sounds ok now!

Gracias beaucoup, Dan, looking forward to Dixc !! ASAP!

[tkeith]

You never expressed an interest in my BFT, Thom but I'm glad you got your hands on the download, some of your IDs are right on target. Does Rickey Woodard do anything for you on the Tenor Trio disc or elsewhere?

I'm less familiar with Woodard than the other two, but that record just didn't hit me. I may have been biased by how little I was reached by the other two guys.

[thedwork]

awesome music on this disc!!!

but i can't identify hardly any of it :blush2:

(by the way i assumed there was no googling allowed )

#1 - hilarious lyric and great singer/band. i assume it's from late 40s/early 50s. beautiful little piano solo (here's my bad guess - teddy wilson?). also love the almost freddie greenish guitar comping i think i'm hearing. for the 1st minute or so it kinda reminded me of bluegrass mandolin comping!

#2 - where has this singer been all my life?! totally killing. i'm guessing it's from the 50s. i love the rhythm section cannonball quintet soul vibe.

#3 - no idea. also from the 50s?

#4 - i thought i knew this as a brother ray tune. for a while it sounds like it may be an early recording of him, but later whoever this singer is does some stuff that i'm pretty sure isn't ray - like those screams toward the end at 2:22 - 2:34. that sounds like it coulda been some kind of early influence on james brown. very cool.

#5 - B.B King!!! wow this is cool. took me a minute cause i've never heard him in this setting before. it's like heaven. perfect.

#6 - don't know it but it's another thing i'm glad to have been turned onto. great singing but no guess. brother jack mcduff on organ?

#7 - no clue (brother jack mcduff? ). plenty greasy. very nice.

#8 - no idea. but i guess it's junior parker. will have to investigate...

#9 - no clue and not my favorite track on this disc. but still groovy baby. this one sounds a little later on than the rest. the 60s or early 70s?

#10 - nice drummer. idris muhammed? the piano player sounds like larry goldings to me. really sounds like larry to me. very interested to find out who this is. no ideas on anything else.

#11 - know the tune but not the players. i like the little "i'm beginning to see the light" quote/reference in the 1st solo at 1:23 - 1:29. nice... seems like we're moving chronologically here. this one from the 80s - early 90s?

#12 - kinda nice. the 1st tenor solo kinda makes me think of eddie harris but after three days of no sleep. the piano solo is probably my favorite thing in this track. this whole track is a little too self-conciously laid-back it seems to me. they coulda pumped up the heat a bit. seems like they'd all been told to hold back no matter what for some reason. still a nice track though. no real guesses (sp?).

#13 - clark terry? Sweets is certainly a good guess. don't really know...

#14 - dude! very nice blues. no guesses (sp?). from the 70s - 80s i'd guess. that alto player is almost too perfect . excellent excellent playing. i have a feeling i'm gonna slap myself on the forehead when i found out who it is. for some reason this tune is giving me a nyc vibe. can't explain it. i'll be curious to see if this was recorded in ny. only thing that was a little bit of a drag for me was that it seemed like maybe the solo lengths were planned (both piano and sax were 4 choruses i think). they were playin' so nice woulda been nice to hear them stretch out a bit.

#15 - wynton? i'm not a big fan of his but this sounds like it may be him for a few reasons: fine technique, tone, trying to be real bluesy and not always pulling it off, lots of classic jazz 'mannerisms' and phrases but playing i could generally take or leave, and some very nice arranging. yeah, i'm getting to the end of this one now and it's making me think wynton 'cuz of the arranging. warm daddy? very nice writing. hope i don't get flamed for bringing up the guy's . name curious...

i'll be back tomorrow night w/ some thoughts on disc 2. this is fucking cool guys. thanks dan...

Edited April 8, 2009 by thedwork

[Jim R]

(by the way i assumed there was no googling allowed )

I'm just curious... what prompted you to say that? I think everybody chooses their own approach, and some turn to Google when they're at their wits' end on a particular track. At any rate, I think the only thing that's not considered cool is reading the comments of others before one posts their own.

#4 - i thought i knew this as a brother ray tune.

I had the same thought.

#8 - no idea. but i guess it's junior parker. will have to investigate...

You've not only got an idea, you've got good ears (unless we're both wrong, that is ).

[thedwork]

(by the way i assumed there was no googling allowed )

I'm just curious... what prompted you to say that? I think everybody chooses their own approach, and some turn to Google when they're at their wits' end on a particular track. At any rate, I think the only thing that's not considered cool is reading the comments of others before one posts their own.

#4 - i thought i knew this as a brother ray tune.

I had the same thought.

#8 - no idea. but i guess it's junior parker. will have to investigate...

You've not only got an idea, you've got good ears (unless we're both wrong, that is ).

hey Jim R,

this is my 1st BFT here (or anywhere for that matter...). i wrote that 'cuz i read someone mentioning googling to find something either earlier here or on the disc 2 thread. it ain't no thing. that would only really help w/ lyrics anyway, right? i'm just trying to get on the same page w/ everyone. had a very fun time w/ this 1st disc last nite and am about to go on to disc 2...

and as far as having good ears on junior parker - i had no idea like i wrote. no ears on that one here. i said "but i guess it's junior parker" 'cuz i saw two of you had named him for that track! i only read other's posts after i'd got my thoughts straight on a particular tune. otherwise it's no fun. i'm very interested to find out what's what.

on to #2...

[Dan Gould]

TRACK FIVE - When did this happen and why am I just now hearing it?

I never would have guessed that you not only don't have it but were unaware it even exists.

TRACK ELEVEN - Sorry man, can't make it. My tux is in the cleaners. Love to Nancy, ok? Great, maybe next year.

Sorry but I am just not sure what this means - other than a general dis of the players/performance.

TRACK FIFTEEN - Expository! I think I like it. I sure don't dislike it! Ambien's kicking in, will need to revisit again, but sure sounds ok now!

I'd like to hold you to this but I am afraid the Ambien might be clouding your judgment.

[JSngry]

TRACK ELEVEN - Sorry man, can't make it. My tux is in the cleaners. Love to Nancy, ok? Great, maybe next year.

Sorry but I am just not sure what this means - other than a general dis of the players/performance.

Not really a dis, just a comment that it sounds really polite, like it was recorded at a Kennedy Center function or something. Which is not a bad thing, mind you, just, well, you know.

[JSngry]

TRACK FIFTEEN - Expository! I think I like it. I sure don't dislike it! Ambien's kicking in, will need to revisit again, but sure sounds ok now!

I'd like to hold you to this but I am afraid the Ambien might be clouding your judgment.

UH-oh....

[Soul Stream]

Guess I'll throw out the ones I know for sure first...

#3...won't give this one away since Dan actually sent me this a long time ago. Just a hint for the others, it's a well known organist's initial recording where he sang. So my advice would be to listen to the organ playing for hints!

#5 is One Foot in The Blues..the title track to a great album by singer Johnny Adams with Dr. Lonnie Smith on organ....awesome (pick this CD up if it's still around)

#6 is Next Time You See Me performed by the great Freddie Roach (Joe Henderson on tenor) from the Brown Sugar LP

as for the others ummm...

#1. No idea, dig it....all the hipster slang. Reminds me of that kookie hipster novelty material Anita O'day did early on, although it's obviously not her.

#2. Sounds like some early Dr. John. If not, it's whoever Dr. John copied vocally...

#4. B.B. King with a great orchestra...don't know who, sounds like Count Basie's...

#8 Watermelon Man by Albert King's and Ike Turner's bastard son...must me from Texas whoever it is...

#9 Shake by...ummm...got me...sounds like the Dirty Dozen Brass Band meets The Three Sounds on Funky Pullet.

#10 Strollin'...dig it. Tenors like Illinois Jacquet and Gene Ammons...the bass sound is too direct for it to be an old recording...sounds like something on 80's Muse. Maybe it's one of those Gatortail Jackson albums on Muse...

#11 & 12... like the cuts, but don't know who's playing at all...definately old guys playing...don't think young cats can do that in a convincing way. Againon 12...that bass sound I hate...too direct...why do engineers insist on recording an upright like that, sucking the life out of the bass. Dig the piano...like all the players. That bass solo SOUNDS like crap...I hate that sound....matter of fact, I hate the bass solo.

[Jim R]

#2. Sounds like some early Dr. John. If not, it's whoever Dr. John copied vocally...

Interesting... I heard a resemblance to Johnny Guitar Watson, but Dr. John has a similar vocal sound.

[Jim R]

TRACK ONE - Crabby Chick dodn't dig the band. No time for that. But I found her CD online anyways.

This one still has me puzzled, and I'm still trying to figure out Jim's "code" here...

[JSngry]

Google the name of the song (it's what you think it is), and there it is.

As far as "Crabby Chick" goes, if I had a penny for every instance of a girl complaining about the band because she wanted something else, something she could "understand", I'd probably grow to hate pennies.

As it is, I kinda like 'em. They're quaint!

Edited April 7, 2009 by JSngry

[Jim R]

Google the name of the song (it's what you think it is), and there it is.

I'll be damned (well, not really). The other day, I had tried googling "this joint's too hip for me", and came up with nuthin'. I just tried it again and... bingo. I swear there are some Google Gremlins somewhere in my system (seriously, I have had off-and-on results like this before from google searches).

At any rate, never heard of her! (and I generally know everything).

[Dan Gould]

I sure hope we get some new comments soon ...

[Jim R]

I sure hope we get some new comments soon ...

I've been thinking the same thing, and it's not even my test...

[Durium]

Wow, this isn't the stuff I normally play, so .....................

The tuba on track 10 makes this one the best for me !!

Durium

[Soul Stream]

When do we get the answers Dan? (don't really remember the process...)

[Dan Gould]

When do we get the answers Dan? (don't really remember the process...)

Well the first thing is that you should post comments on Disc 2 - you did download disc 2, right?

Answers will come at the end of the month.

[Harold_Z]

Here goes. Hats off to Dan for a very enjoyable disc.

1- Didn't know the chick but googled and I think I got it. Very enjoyable.

2. Sounds like Dr. John to me. I guess early and something I'm not familiar with.

3. Dug it -very nice. Don't think it's Charles Brown but it's kinda in his bag.

4. Sticks and Stones. Groovin' version. The Checkmates?

5. BB King Sings Duke from the Crown vinyl. MAN !! I wish I had that entire lp. Over the years I've heard bits and pieces here and there. No reissue on this?

6. Johnny Adams with the Turbanator. Love it.

7. Freddie Roach's "Next Time You See Me." Joe Henderson on board. Had this since the first lp issue. Great.

8. Junior Parker with the original of the above. Word was that Wayne Bennett was the guitarist. Love it.

9. "Watermelon Man". Don't know who. The guitarist sounds VERY familiar.

10. "Shake". the tuba makes me think maybe the Dirty Dozen but ...nah. not them and also the piano nixes that.

11. Dig but no clue.

12. thru 15. No clue.

Edited April 16, 2009 by Harold_Z

[JSngry]

So hell, I misguessed Joe Henderson as Junior Cook...

Oh well, at least that's at least evolutionary sound...