BFT 64 Disc 2 Discussion Thread

[Durium]

The piano player on track 5 reminds me to Monty Alexander !!

Monty Alexander

Durium

Edited April 12, 2009 by Durium

[Dan Gould]

Is that really going to be the sum total of your commentary about two discs? Guess I didn't pick very well ...

[Durium]

Is that really going to be the sum total of your commentary about two discs? Guess I didn't pick very well ...

This might be only a start ..........

I won't cut the ground from under someones feet !!

Durium

[Dan Gould]

Sorry, I'm just a little surprised that after two week's time, such a small proportion of people have posted comments.

Then again Mother always said I was impatient.

[Free For All]

I've been very busy (end of the school year coming up & some out of town gigs) and haven't had much time to listen more than once. I did enjoy the music, Dan, but I didn't recognize much so I haven't had much to contribute. Nice collection of tunes though! Thanks.

Edited April 12, 2009 by Free For All

[JSngry]

Has it become traditional now for there to be two tests "open" at the same time?

I mean, it's ok with me, obliviously, but I was just wondering.

[Dan Gould]

Has it become traditional now for there to be two tests "open" at the same time?

I mean, it's ok with me, obliviously, but I was just wondering.

No, RDK is just very slow in posting his answers. We do go by month, so I don't think anyone expected me to wait.

[Harold_Z]

Thanks Dan for another VERY enjoyable disc.

Those first five: Five piano tracks all featuring pianists speaking the same vocabulary. Gene or not Gene? It's really hard to tell but I'll give it my best shot.

1. Not Gene. Nice blues, but I think Gene would be up an octave right from the jump.

2. "Cute." I think it's Gene and I recall he did an album with a big band some years ago.

3. "The Battle Hymn Of The Republic" Not Gene. Richard Tee (it's not him either) used to play something very similar to the intro on this morre than 30 years ago as the intro for "Oh Happy Day." Either this guy dug

Richard a whole lot or there is a common source that I'm unaware of. I don't think Gene would borrow to the extent I hear on this.

4. "You Don't Know Me" Very nice. I think it's Gene.

5. "I'm Walkin'" Yes indeed! I think it's Gene.

6. "Medication" Is this the Houston Person/ Ron Carter thing? Sounds like Ron to me.

7. "Sidewinder" Is it Larry Goldings on organ. Trumpet is nice. I dug the drums.

8. I had no track 8 for some reason.

9." Autumn Leaves" Don't know who. As usual I feel that I should.

10. No clue.

11. "On the Trail". I think that's the name of that. Don't know who, but it's nice. Sonny Rollins did this tune way back on on "Way Out West" iirc.

12. Nice blues. no clue.

Now I'm going to read the thread.

[Dan Gould]

Glad you enjoyed it, Harold. Some good calls on the Gene/Not Gene but not 100% right.

I think you'll be surprised by the Autumn Leaves and On The Trail tracks, which have been identified, if not completely in the case of the former.

Now, where's Soul Stream with his review of the second disc?

[Jim R]

6. "Medication"

Great comedic minds thinking alike?

[Harold_Z]

6. "Medication"

Great comedic minds thinking alike?

Absolutely !

[Guest Bill Barton]

Disc Two:

Same introductory comments from Disc One apply...

1. This didn't really do much for me. One of those performances that just "is" and doesn't seem to develop

anything. I don't hear a story here. No idea who it is.

2. There's a sorta glitzy Las Vegas aspect to the band that contrasts rather intriguingly with the piano.

Probably the pianist's date.

3. Oh, yeah! They're goin' "Down by the Riverside" and we're along for the ride. Great stuff! I have a certain

antipathy to bass solos in this sort of context but this one doesn't break the mood or drop the energy level. The

drum breaks are kickin' too. So far this is by far my favorite among all of the tracks in this BFT. It really

makes you want to pack up all your cares and woes. I'm not very good at identifying pianists in this

soul>gospel>groove bag but I'm going with Gene Harris. If the rest of whatever album this comes from is as good as

this track it's going on my "short list."

4. Another hot track. They surely milk this sucker for all it's worth. That section where they go into the

almost boogie-woogie thing is priceless. Subtle it ain't... The approach is reminiscent of the infamous Dorothy

Donegan although it's obviously not her. I have to admit that all of these pianists sound alike to me. No idea.

5. Same cat again? No idea again. All of this sounds like Gene Harris to me, but then I'm not really attuned to

the nuances (?) of this style.

6. "How Insensitive." This is a story-telling sax solo. Very nice. And the bass player is superb. The contrast

in timbres with much of the rest of this BFT is refreshing. I can't place the players. The tenor sound made me

think of Getz at times but I don't believe that it's him. There were times when it reminded me of Archie Shepp in

a mellower mood too strangely enough (there's an oblique quote from "Steam" slipped in there unless my ears are

deceiving me.) This is another "top pick" from the selections for me.

7. Jimmy Owens on trumpet? There were a few Hubbard-isms but I'm going with Owens. I like this solo a lot. The

rest of the track pales in comparison to the trumpet solo for me.

...

9. "Autumn Leaves" nicely done. Could this possibly be Teddy Edwards? With Art Hillery? There's a slightly

unsettled feeling to the rhythms that I find quite appealing. They're not taking the easy way out.

10. I like the trumpet playing here a lot. Can't place the player though.

11. The tenor dialogue is remarkable. These cats swing like mad although there's no traditional rhythm section.

The pulse is infectious. The World Saxophone Duo? Lew Tabackin and ?. Could it be Pete Christlieb? This is

another highlight of the two discs for me. Sounds like this is a variation on "On the Trail."

12. This is a very fine arrangement. The solos didn't stand out as much to me as did the overall "vibe." Very nice...

[Dan Gould]

UP for the stragglers! I'll post answers next weekend.

[Guest Bill Barton]

After a few more spins I'm going to go with Getz on #6...

And I'm still puzzling over #11. I like it a lot. Yup, Tabackin and Christlieb is my guess.

[Jim R]

After a few more spins I'm going to go with Getz on #6...

And I'm still puzzling over #11. I like it a lot. Yup, Tabackin and Christlieb is my guess.

Bill, at this point, you ought to go ahead and read everyone else's posts. It's customary to do that once you've posted all your ideas, and then engage in dialog about what you had right or wrong, what surprised you, etc etc.

[Guest Bill Barton]

After a few more spins I'm going to go with Getz on #6...

And I'm still puzzling over #11. I like it a lot. Yup, Tabackin and Christlieb is my guess.

Bill, at this point, you ought to go ahead and read everyone else's posts. It's customary to do that once you've posted all your ideas, and then engage in dialog about what you had right or wrong, what surprised you, etc etc.

I did read everyone else's posts... Sorting out who was right about what at this point was (and is) a tad confusing. In any case, the "guessing game" part of the BFT is not the most interesting thing to me; being introduced to music that I'm not familiar with and finding buried gems is what attracted me in the first place.

[Jim R]

the "guessing game" part of the BFT is not the most interesting thing to me; being introduced to music that I'm not familiar with and finding buried gems is what attracted me in the first place.

The discovery component is certainly one of the great things about participating. The "guessing game" is a fundamental aspect, though, and since you're pretty much the only one here who is still guessing, I would have thought it interested you enough to make it worthwhile to engage you about it. Both of your guesses happen to be incorrect, but I don't know if you're interested in more clues, or...?

Cheers.

[Big Al]

Posted after the answers were posted, which I haven't read. Not that it would make any difference.

I actually started these a few weeks ago before life got insane, finished 'em up this morning. Happy reading!

Track 1: no clue. Nice groove, sounds kinda like a Doc Severinson outfit?

Track 2: Red Garland with a big band? Really dig these charts! Is it “I Get a Kick out of You?”

Track 3: Sounds of recent vintage. ARRRGGH!!! I should know the name of this gospel tune. Oh, this is shameful! Maybe Gene Harris on one of his gospel records? If so, may have to seek that out!

Track 4 sounds like it was a fun place to be that night! If I hadn’t already guessed Gene Harris on the last track.... ah well, this is Dan after all, so I’ll guess Gene Harris on this, too!

Track 5: Why do I want to guess Barry Harris on this? I don’t know either!

Track 6: Sonny Rollins & Bob Cranshaw doing Jobim’s “Meditation?” Sounds like it wouldn’t be out of place on the Sonny RCA box.

Track 7 is definitely “Sidewinder,” no clue who it is, though. Guitarist reminds me of Grant Green.

Track 8 is definitely “Autumn Leaves,” (hey, I like it that I can finally identify standards!), no clue on any of the players. This tenor player sounds like Sonny, if it ain’t him to begin with.

Track 9: If it wasn’t for that electric bass, I was gonna guess Bobby Timmons.

Track 10: No clue, no interest sorry to say. Solo sax (or any wind instrument for that matter) NMCOT™.

Track 11: Mmmmmm nice! The theme makes me wanna guess a Tony Williams quintet from the 80’s, although the sound doesn’t suggest it was recorded then. That and the fact that the drummer is clearly NOT Tony Williams! Nice way to finish your final BFT, Dan. Sad that it is your final BFT, too.

[Dan Gould]

Posted after the answers were posted, which I haven't read. Not that it would make any difference.

I actually started these a few weeks ago before life got insane, finished 'em up this morning. Happy reading!

Track 1: no clue. Nice groove, sounds kinda like a Doc Severinson outfit?

Thanks for posting your comments, Al, but I have to ask, WTF? How do you equate a piano trio (on an original titled "The Way Gene Would Groove It") to a "Doc Severinsen outfit"?

[Big Al]

Posted after the answers were posted, which I haven't read. Not that it would make any difference.

I actually started these a few weeks ago before life got insane, finished 'em up this morning. Happy reading!

Track 1: no clue. Nice groove, sounds kinda like a Doc Severinson outfit?

Thanks for posting your comments, Al, but I have to ask, WTF? How do you equate a piano trio (on an original titled "The Way Gene Would Groove It") to a "Doc Severinsen outfit"?

I HAFC™!!! I'm listening to it right now and wondering just how out-of-it I was when I typed this up??? That comment was meant for track 2, but somewhere along the way of listening to track 2, the Red Garland thought popped into my head. But how I ended up moving that comment back to track 1 is one I'll never figure out!