BFT #79 Discussion

[tkeith]

One off listen this afternoon (procrastinating some school work -- yay me!). A lot of ground covered in this one. A lot of stuff I liked, but some stuff resonated less. A couple of things I'm itching to find out about. On my way to read up, now.

Track 1 - no idea.

Track 2 - fun, kind of bouncy. A Freddie Green sort of feel from the rhythm guitar, but doesn't sound like Basie to me.

Track 3 - Unsure... something a little stiff about it (it's intentional, the drums), but it's not resonating for me. Piano is pretty bad-ass.

Track 4 - Big sound. I'm leaning Billy Mitchell, but I don't recognize it. Mad soul!

Track 5 - It's in interesting framework to the tune, but they seem in love with that and it doesn't quite work.

Track 6 - Much love. McCoy influence on the piano, Elvin influence on the drums. I don't believe it's either of them, and something about the recording is screaming Mapleshade, but it's a needle drop. Dig it, but no idea.

Track 7 - Clueless. Not sure about it; parts were nice, parts were loungie...

Track 8 - I should like this more than I do -- I may just be in a mood. It's the electronic keys that are bugging me. Otherwise, I'm liking this very much. Yeah... there's those keys... I'm out. Could be Ra, but I'm not diggin' it.

Track 9 - Not for me.

Track 10 - It's Take The Coltrane (or should be) but I'm struggling with the 'who'. I recognize him, but... Man, these guys are ALL bad ass. Looking forward to the ID on this one.

Track 11 - This would go well leading into something like Dennis Gonzalez. It's very interesting, but I want it to resolve to something more grooving and mysterious.

Track 12 - No idea, not my bag.

Track 13 - Could be later Johnny Griffin, it has that feel. The other guy could be Ricky Ford. It's not firing on all cylinders, but it's firing on some pretty solid ones. Ah! No, wait, it's the closer from this

[JSngry]

Track 10 - It's Take The Coltrane

DOH! Of course it is...

[tkeith]

One off listen this afternoon (procrastinating some school work -- yay me!). A lot of ground covered in this one. A lot of stuff I liked, but some stuff resonated less. A couple of things I'm itching to find out about. On my way to read up, now.

Track 1 - no idea.

Track 2 - fun, kind of bouncy. A Freddie Green sort of feel from the rhythm guitar, but doesn't sound like Basie to me.

Track 3 - Unsure... something a little stiff about it (it's intentional, the drums), but it's not resonating for me. Piano is pretty bad-ass.

Track 4 - Big sound. I'm leaning Billy Mitchell, but I don't recognize it. Mad soul!

Track 5 - It's in interesting framework to the tune, but they seem in love with that and it doesn't quite work.

Track 6 - Much love. McCoy influence on the piano, Elvin influence on the drums. I don't believe it's either of them, and something about the recording is screaming Mapleshade, but it's a needle drop. Dig it, but no idea.

Track 7 - Clueless. Not sure about it; parts were nice, parts were loungie...

Track 8 - I should like this more than I do -- I may just be in a mood. It's the electronic keys that are bugging me. Otherwise, I'm liking this very much. Yeah... there's those keys... I'm out. Could be Ra, but I'm not diggin' it.

Track 9 - Not for me.

Track 10 - It's Take The Coltrane (or should be) but I'm struggling with the 'who'. I recognize him, but... Man, these guys are ALL bad ass. Looking forward to the ID on this one.

Track 11 - This would go well leading into something like Dennis Gonzalez. It's very interesting, but I want it to resolve to something more grooving and mysterious.

Track 12 - No idea, not my bag.

Track 13 - Could be later Johnny Griffin, it has that feel. The other guy could be Ricky Ford. It's not firing on all cylinders, but it's firing on some pretty solid ones. Ah! No, wait, it's the closer from this

Later

Bah! I must be going through a phase -- I'm having a love-hate relationship with Ra. MartyJazz, no shame, I own Turkish Women, and should KNOW that! <LAME> Very surprised to find that's Junior Cook. Not used to him burning quite that much. But listening again, I keep waiting for the obligatory Coltrane run, and Junior just didn't do them, and for that, he needs to be more appreciated. I saw him once in Portsmouth, NH; a table of locals was being obnoxiously loud during Junior's rendition of Body And Soul. He asked them to be quiet ("You cats in the back hold it down."). Instead, they were obnoxious and he got *pissed*! He slapped the mic and hollered, "You want the mic!?" He went back to playing, but it was just... off -- it was clear he was fuming. He turned to the pianist, then the bassist and drummer, saying something briefly to each of them, then returning to his solo. As he reached the end of the chorus, he leaned to the mic and said, "Let 'em talk over this." The band kicked into a similar tempo to this cut and he pointed the bell of the horn directly at the table and just WAILED for about 5 minute. They tried to talk over him, but eventually gave up and asked for their check. It was quite beautiful.

[Michael Weiss]

Lots of progress made.
Track ID Status Recap
Artist / Title / Recording
1. Buster Bailey / ? / ?
2. Jimmy Lunceford / ? / ?
3. George Wallington / Cuckoo Around the Clock /
4. Lucky Thompson / Why Do I Love You / Plays Jerome Kern And No More
5. Friedrich Gulda / Innefable / Riverbed
6. Pete LaRoca / Marjoun / Turkish Women At the Bath
7. Buddy Montgomery / Personage-Wes / The Two-Sided Album
8. Sun Ra / ? / Pathways to Unknown Worlds /
9.
10. Junior Cook / Take the Coltrane / ?
11.
12. Jim Beard / ? / Song of the Sun
13. Johnny Griffin Steve Grossman / Taurus People / Johnny Griffin Steve Grossman

Surprised #2 and #3 haven't been ID'd yet.
Happy to see Junior Cook ID'd.
I knew the other ID'd tracks wouldn't be a problem.
But does anyone have #7? Great record!
I also thought some of you might have some awareness of #11. I came across several musicians who were familiar with this music before I was.
I don't expect anyone to ID #9, but hope you are intrigued enough to find out. Ditto #11.

Edited June 14, 2013 by Michael Weiss

[Chas]

Surprised #2 and #3 haven't been ID'd yet.

Meant to post this earlier, but track #3 is Cuckoo Around the Clock by George Wallington.

[Michael Weiss]

Surprised #2 and #3 haven't been ID'd yet.

Meant to post this earlier, but track #3 is Cuckoo Around the Clock by George Wallington. Correct.

[MartyJazz]

OK, Michael, track #7 is "Personage - Wes" from Buddy Montgomery's THE TWO-SIDED ALBUM (Milestone LP), with Joe Farrell (ts), Harold Mabern (p), Ron Carter (b), Billy Hart (d) and Montego Joe (congas). And you're right, it is a very good album. Has it been released on CD?

[Michael Weiss]

OK, Michael, track #7 is "Personage - Wes" from Buddy Montgomery's THE TWO-SIDED ALBUM (Milestone LP), with Joe Farrell (ts), Harold Mabern (p), Ron Carter (b), Billy Hart (d) and Montego Joe (congas). And you're right, it is a very good album. Has it been released on CD? Not only has it not been reissued (not that I know of), I couldn't find one image of the cover online!

Edited October 4, 2010 by Michael Weiss

[Hot Ptah]

OK, Michael, track #7 is "Personage - Wes" from Buddy Montgomery's THE TWO-SIDED ALBUM (Milestone LP), with Joe Farrell (ts), Harold Mabern (p), Ron Carter (b), Billy Hart (d) and Montego Joe (congas). And you're right, it is a very good album. Has it been released on CD? Not only has it not been reissued (not that I know of), I couldn't find one image of the cover online!

Is this what the cover looks like?

[Michael Weiss]

OK, Michael, track #7 is "Personage - Wes" from Buddy Montgomery's THE TWO-SIDED ALBUM (Milestone LP), with Joe Farrell (ts), Harold Mabern (p), Ron Carter (b), Billy Hart (d) and Montego Joe (congas). And you're right, it is a very good album. Has it been released on CD? Not only has it not been reissued (not that I know of), I couldn't find one image of the cover online!

Is this what the cover looks like?

That's the one. Even Google didn't have that.

[Spontooneous]

1. Well, it certainly is fast. And clean. And showy. It's "Tiger Rag" despite the "High Society" quote, right? Maybe somebody like Jimmy Dorsey?

2. Electronically reprocessed for stereo? Oh, I'm gonna hate myself when the answers come in, because I know I've heard this chart before. Is it a Mary Lou Williams chart?

3. Very strong bebop piano. A trace of "Alley Cat" in the head. No guess, but I like. Last chord is magic.

4. Lucky? Golson in Lucky mode? Sounds more like Lucky in every bar. Lovely whoever it is. Another great coda.

5. Love the space, and the hairpin dynamic turns. The piano solo doesn't say anything you didn't already know, but man, there's a lot of information in that arrangement. Really, Michael, any time you want to have the whole board over to listen to your vinyl, I'm there.

6. A mess, but an irresistable groove. Probably not McCoy, but someone who's paid a lot of attention to him. And that isn't the real Elvin, is it? No matter, I'm completely charmed by it.

7. Sounds like a Hutcherson-Land collaboration. Lovely whatever it is.

8. OMG, a contrabassoon and a bass clarinet? And some other stuff. This might work better with two or three fewer guys in the room -- or maybe just fewer instruments in the room so they don't feel compelled to use them all. The cheap organs amuse me. It goes south for me after eight minutes, when the keyboardist on the left goes into glissando mode and too many others follow him. It recovers nicely toward the end, where people are really listening to each other.

9. Scriabin, or something heavily influenced by him. Can't ID the piece.

10. The head may or may not have been Take the Coltrane. Love the tenor's steely tone and confident delivery – also the plummy full high notes. Maybe George Coleman? The pianist does not disappoint.

11. From eastern Europe, I'd wager. But can't tell you more than that. If I could do it all over again, I'd spend more time on ethnomusicology.

12. For a minute I thought Carla Bley. Maybe something like Microscopic Septet or a Joel Forester-related project. Beautiful part-writing.

13. Nice head, and a rhythm section that catches the nuances in it. First tenor solo isn't bad, but doesn't do much for me. Second tenor – I've been waiting for your friend Griff, and there he is at last! Good piano. Griff elevates the tenor dialogue at every turn. Beautiful.

This is a blast, Michael.

[Spontooneous]

Well, at least I got Lucky right.

One joke on me: I've guessed that tenors on other BFTs were Junior Cook, and I've been wrong each time.

Remind me never to get in an argument with Marty about clarinetists. Wow.

[Michael Weiss]

1. Well, it certainly is fast. And clean. And showy. It's "Tiger Rag" despite the "High Society" quote, right? Maybe somebody like Jimmy Dorsey?

2. Electronically reprocessed for stereo? Oh, I'm gonna hate myself when the answers come in, because I know I've heard this chart before. Is it a Mary Lou Williams chart? Nope.

3. Very strong bebop piano. A trace of "Alley Cat" in the head. No guess, but I like. Last chord is magic.

4. Lucky? Golson in Lucky mode? Sounds more like Lucky in every bar. Lovely whoever it is. Another great coda.

5. Love the space, and the hairpin dynamic turns. The piano solo doesn't say anything you didn't already know, but man, there's a lot of information in that arrangement. Really, Michael, any time you want to have the whole board over to listen to your vinyl, I'm there. Anytime!

6. A mess, but an irresistable groove. Probably not McCoy, but someone who's paid a lot of attention to him. True that. And that isn't the real Elvin, is it? No matter, I'm completely charmed by it.

7. Sounds like a Hutcherson-Land collaboration. Lovely whatever it is.

8. OMG, a contrabassoon and a bass clarinet? And some other stuff. This might work better with two or three fewer guys in the room -- or maybe just fewer instruments in the room so they don't feel compelled to use them all. The cheap organs amuse me. It goes south for me after eight minutes, when the keyboardist on the left goes into glissando mode and too many others follow him. It recovers nicely toward the end, where people are really listening to each other.

9. Scriabin, or something heavily influenced by him. Yes! Very true. One of his disciples. Can't ID the piece.

10. The head may or may not have been Take the Coltrane. Love the tenor's steely tone and confident delivery – also the plummy full high notes. Maybe George Coleman? The pianist does not disappoint. Thank you.

11. From eastern Europe, I'd wager. Correct - good guess. But can't tell you more than that. If I could do it all over again, I'd spend more time on ethnomusicology.

12. For a minute I thought Carla Bley. Maybe something like Microscopic Septet or a Joel Forester-related project. Beautiful part-writing.

13. Nice head, and a rhythm section that catches the nuances in it. First tenor solo isn't bad, but doesn't do much for me. Listen again (and again) because this is a great solo by SG. Second tenor – I've been waiting for your friend Griff, and there he is at last! Good piano. Griff elevates the tenor dialogue at every turn. Beautiful.

This is a blast, Michael. Thanks!

Edited October 6, 2010 by Michael Weiss

[brownie]

I was going to stay out of that BT but Michael Weiss kindly sent it my way.

Had planned to sit on it until next weekend but curiosity pushed me to give it a listen last night. A quick one.

2 Jimmie Lunceford (my Masters of Jazz Lunceford series is stored in the cellar for the time being and I cannot check on this title right away!)

4 Lucky Thompson 'Why Do I Love You?' from the Jerome Kern album. Love it!

8 Sun Ra (no idea from which album)

13 Griff and Steve Grossman, final track (Taurus People) from their Dreyfus album (that's Michael Weiss on piano!)

I should be able to identify 3, excellent!

I would love to listen to more of tracks 7 and 10

[Michael Weiss]

I was going to stay out of that BT but Michael Weiss kindly sent it my way.

Had planned to sit on it until next weekend but curiosity pushed me to give it a listen last night. A quick one.

2 Jimmie Lunceford (my Masters of Jazz Lunceford series is stored in the cellar for the time being and I cannot check on this title right away!) Well Alright Then! Brownie to the rescue.

4 Lucky Thompson 'Why Do I Love You?' from the Jerome Kern album. Love it!

8 Sun Ra (no idea from which album)

13 Griff and Steve Grossman, final track (Taurus People) from their Dreyfus album (that's Michael Weiss on piano!)

I should be able to identify 3, excellent!

I would love to listen to more of tracks 7 and 10

Thanks for your input, Guy.

If the titles to tracks #1, #2 and #12 can get ID'd we can put this one to bed soon. I don't expect anyone to ID track #9, although if Mark Stryker would step up, he would venture a viable guess. But I was sure someone here would be familiar with the music of track #11.

Edited October 6, 2010 by Michael Weiss

[MartyJazz]

I was going to stay out of that BT but Michael Weiss kindly sent it my way.

Had planned to sit on it until next weekend but curiosity pushed me to give it a listen last night. A quick one.

(snip)

2 Jimmie Lunceford (my Masters of Jazz Lunceford series is stored in the cellar for the time being and I cannot check on this title right away!)

(snip)

I'll be damned! As I said, I thought Lunceford initially but again, I thought it was too clean and beyond swing era to be him. Wow, definitely would like to know the title and the date of this track.

[Michael Weiss]

I'll be damned! As I said, I thought Lunceford initially but again, I thought it was too clean and beyond swing era to be him. Wow, definitely would like to know the title and the date of this track.

I always thought of Lunceford's band as one of the cleanest, precision-wise. This arrangement has a forward looking harmonic progression. Maybe that threw you. Get that title, Marty.

[brownie]

That track 2 is Lunceford's 'Belgium's Stomp'.

Written in anticipation of the band's scheduled tour of Belgium, France (and other places?) in October 1939.

Hitler's invasion of these countries put an end to the visit!

Gerald Wilson takes the first trumpet solo, Paul Webster, the second one!

[Michael Weiss]

That track 2 is Lunceford's 'Belgium's Stomp'. Written in anticipation of the band's scheduled tour of Belgium, France (and other places?) in October 1939. Hitler's invasion of these countries put an end to the visit! Gerald Wilson takes the first trumpet solo, Paul Webster, the second one!

That's it. Also recorded under the title "State and Tioga Stomp."

Something tells me you could identify track #1 as well.

[MartyJazz]

That track 2 is Lunceford's 'Belgium's Stomp'.

Written in anticipation of the band's scheduled tour of Belgium, France (and other places?) in October 1939.

Hitler's invasion of these countries put an end to the visit!

Gerald Wilson takes the first trumpet solo, Paul Webster, the second one!

THE Gerald Wilson!!!! In 1939, no less. Wow, again.

As for my impressions of the Lunceford band as not being "clean" or "precise", I stand corrected and have some re-listening to do. In any event, "Belgium's Stomp" is a marvelous track.

[brownie]

Something tells me you could identify track #1 as well.

That one is a real puzzler. And a good opener.

Have drawn a blank on trying to name names on it so far!

[Michael Weiss]

As most of the tracks have been ID'd and the conversation has ground to a halt, I think I might bail out early and post a reveal thread in a few days. If those that signed up who haven't commented yet, as well as anyone else for that matter, want to chime in, now's the time. Thanks for all the comments thus far.

[Big Al]

Well, I finally got around to listening and of course I didn't know anything.

Some groovy comments contained herein, and I love it that you're playing on the last track because that was a groovy closer!

Really enjoyed tracks 1 thru 7, 8 thru 12 not so much, and 13 of course! Now to go see the answers!