chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted November 8, 2011 Report Posted November 8, 2011 (edited) hi my question is: so we all know rvg recorded in stereo only after 1958, but was the title of Leeway only issued at first in mono only. or are there early stereo issues of it. what i got today is the liberty issue, non vangelder stamped. it says on the jacket electronically rechanneled but as we know liberty plunked that on all the jackets regardless if it was in mono, fake stereo ,or real stereo. this liberty issue of leeway still sells for a ton now days, and the one i got was mint, and only 20 bucks, so i went for it. Edited November 8, 2011 by chewy Quote
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted November 8, 2011 Author Report Posted November 8, 2011 listening right now, from my ltd knowledge (no hardcore bn/liberty datasheets, every copy of every pressing of every record, etc)- i guess this liberty issue is the 1st stereo issue, rvg never made a stamper for the stereo cause it was only issued in mono only originally (from what i GATHER....* need conf of this from u guys).....it sounds good. i have no rvg mono to compare it to, but i would even bet it sounds a lil better cause mine is mint and any leeway orig pressing i can afford prob will be messed up. im pretty happy with this right now Quote
brownie Posted November 8, 2011 Report Posted November 8, 2011 I have a Blue Note Records catalog from 1966 that lists Leeway (BLP-4034) as a mono release only. Same for the earlier Moggie albums. Next one after Leeway was The Sidewinder. That one (BLP-4157/84157) is listed in mono and stereo releases. Same for the subsequent ones. Quote
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted November 8, 2011 Author Report Posted November 8, 2011 (edited) whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa, brownie you have a Blue Note Records WHAT-a-log? really? is it like a pamphlet? its from 1966? wow. what does it say abt hank mobley? are any of his listed in there as mono only. wow. how big is this thing? how come ive never seen one? how come i dont have one too? how come i dont have one too for every year? how come i dont have one from every year autographed by jackie mclean. i would of had him sign that instead of my blue note photography book when i met him in 2001. thats right, i met jackie mclean! brownie i drove from seattle to san francisco for this show, in one swoop, it was flipping crazy i have noticed i spelled lee morgan wrong in title of thread, gorts can you please fix that, sry, thanks Edited November 8, 2011 by chewy Quote
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted November 8, 2011 Author Report Posted November 8, 2011 THE MONO BUTTON works really well on this particular lp. you click it and lees trumpet goes, on the last track for example, from hard left, to everywhere- it sounds good. i hardly ever really use the mono button, but when the tpts panned hard left and comming out, essentially in "mono" out of just left speaker, tapping the mono button allows it to be "MORE STEREO" for me, by leaving it "IN MONO"...does that make sense Quote
brownie Posted November 8, 2011 Report Posted November 8, 2011 whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa, brownie you have a Blue Note Records WHAT-a-log? really? is it like a pamphlet? its from 1966? wow. what does it say abt hank mobley? are any of his listed in there as mono only. wow. how big is this thing? It's a 8.5" by 5.5" brochure (36 pages) that lists 12" albums and 45rpm singles. It came out right after Liberty bought the label and lists all the available albums (with cover photos, musicians and titles of each release) up to Jimmy Smith's 'Bucket' (4229). Nothing but a catalogue list... Can't remember where I picket it up, probably at the BN 61st offices when I visited the place in 1967. Quote
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted November 8, 2011 Author Report Posted November 8, 2011 oh yea! brownies famous trip to the blue note offices! where u saw roy haynes get mad cause they wouldnt give him a free copy of song for my father, lol Quote
brownie Posted November 8, 2011 Report Posted November 8, 2011 Yesss... that one! Guess I got the catalogue after being polite with the Lion and the Wolff Also bought a number of BNs from the original fountain that day (and on another return visit a few days later! For what it's worth, the catalogue is pretty complete but does not list any Tina Brooks (not even 'True Blue' which was out by then). Quote
kh1958 Posted November 8, 2011 Report Posted November 8, 2011 Fred Cohen's Blue Note Pressings guide says that the first stereo issue of Leeway was a Liberty pressing. There's brief chapter with Rudy Van Gelder's comments regarding mono-stereo recording. All recordings in mono up to May 8, 1957. From May 9, 1957 to October 30, 1958, he recorded in both mono and two track tape at the same time. Mono taping was dropped after October 30, 1958. He notes that the studio in Hackensack had only a single monitor. Quote
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted November 8, 2011 Author Report Posted November 8, 2011 would love to see that book. what is the complete list of Liberty pressings which issue the stereo mix for the 1st time: so far i have: -Byrd In Flight -Whistle Stop -Leeway all 3 sound **incredible**. why do you think only certain sesions were issued in both mono and stereo, and others just in mono? for example i have early blue train, and monanin's, in stereo.... Quote
Leeway Posted November 9, 2011 Report Posted November 9, 2011 hi my question is: so we all know rvg recorded in stereo only after 1958, but was the title of Leeway only issued at first in mono only. or are there early stereo issues of it. what i got today is the liberty issue, non vangelder stamped. it says on the jacket electronically rechanneled but as we know liberty plunked that on all the jackets regardless if it was in mono, fake stereo ,or real stereo. this liberty issue of leeway still sells for a ton now days, and the one i got was mint, and only 20 bucks, so i went for it. That's the one I have. Blue label with the "b" in white. Actually, I felt obligated to weigh in, if just for appearance sake Quote
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted November 9, 2011 Author Report Posted November 9, 2011 no, mine is classic label-style, a div. of liberty Quote
Leeway Posted November 9, 2011 Report Posted November 9, 2011 no, mine is classic label-style, a div. of liberty OK, sorry about that. The jacket on mine still says "electronically reprocessed" anyway. Quote
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted November 9, 2011 Author Report Posted November 9, 2011 no, mine is classic label-style, a div. of liberty OK, sorry about that. The jacket on mine still says "electronically reprocessed" anyway. yea, the stock liberty elec. repro logo....like on the hollies """stereo"""" greatest hits Quote
kh1958 Posted November 9, 2011 Report Posted November 9, 2011 (edited) would love to see that book. what is the complete list of Liberty pressings which issue the stereo mix for the 1st time: so far i have: -Byrd In Flight -Whistle Stop -Leeway all 3 sound **incredible**. why do you think only certain sesions were issued in both mono and stereo, and others just in mono? for example i have early blue train, and monanin's, in stereo.... I counted 29 titles in the 4000 series first issued in Stereo as Liberties. Also 23 first released in stereo in Japan. Link to book for sale: http://jazzrecordcenter.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_9&products_id=2277&zenid=7b17055e252d044fd3e5dfd9f1b39f87 Edited November 9, 2011 by kh1958 Quote
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted November 10, 2011 Author Report Posted November 10, 2011 29 titles released on liberty for the 1st time in stereo? post the list! post the list! :wub: Quote
kh1958 Posted November 10, 2011 Report Posted November 10, 2011 Okay. Sonny Rollins, Newk's Time. Jimmy Smith, House Party A Message From Blakey, Holiday for Skins, vol. 1 and vol. 2 Donald Byrd, Off to the Races Bud Powell, the Scene Changes Bennie Green, Walkin' and Talkin' Lou Donaldson, With the Three Sounds Donald Byrd--Byrd in Hand The Three Sounds--Good Deal Jackie McLean, Swing, Swang, Swingin' Lou Donaldson--The Time is Right Hank Mobley--Soul Station Lee Morgan--Leeway Lou Donaldson--Sonny Side Up Jackie McLean--Capuchin Swing Donald Byrd--Byrd in Flight Jackie McLean--Jackie's Bag Lou Donaldson--Light Foot Freddie Hubbard--Goin' Up Kenny Dorham--Whistle Stop Grant Green--Grant's First Stand Grant Green--Green Street Andrew Hill--Andrew Lee Morgan--The Gigolo Wayne Shorter--Adam's Apple DelightfulLeeMorgan Bobby Hutcherson--Stick Up Jack Wilson--Somethin' Personal. Whew. Quote
Chuck Nessa Posted November 10, 2011 Report Posted November 10, 2011 The last 7 were Liberty only issues. Quote
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted November 10, 2011 Author Report Posted November 10, 2011 i have never seen on the net (or in person) a soul station, classic cover, liberty issue. just "crazy cover". is there a classic cover stereo liberty issue? or just crazy cover. (giant mobley head superimposed over a train station). Quote
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted November 10, 2011 Author Report Posted November 10, 2011 *re- thank you for posting that i never knew to look out of a stereo liberty grants first stand, chuck is right towards the end of the list its not what i was lookin for, re- gigolo,....that was rel. just on liberty in stereo except promo only mono. i was trying to track stuff down in your list like grants 1st stand: bn monos that i can be on the lookout for for the 1st stereo issue, but nonvangelder stamped on liberty. cause apparently i can find these easier. i have african beat vol 1 as well ive neglected to mention. i wont be actively searchin for a grants 1st stand liberty stereo but ive never seen one i dont believe, (or maybe, but i cant really recall)..cause i have the 1st issue and both the singles for the album. i kind of regret that one of them i payed like freaking 40 bucks for, when i was freaking out about it and thought there was a snowalls chance in hell of gettin a lp-length cut of it for under 400 big ones. then i got one for like 50 bucks. ""check please!"" Quote
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted November 15, 2011 Author Report Posted November 15, 2011 picked up a near mint lib. stereo GOIN' UP today....should be real good Quote
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted November 15, 2011 Author Report Posted November 15, 2011 it IS a revelation. "Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh only the true 1st press MONO costs 400 dollars! 2nd issue, 1st issue stereo only costs a fraction of that! LOLZZZZZZZZZ" how have i missed this for so long, jeez Quote
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted November 15, 2011 Author Report Posted November 15, 2011 THE LABELS ARE REVERSED. even the deadwax. side2 label has the B matrix, side one has the "A"....i knew something was fishy at first when asiatic raes didnt come on but i thought hell ive prob forotten the track order after all this time, but no i was right at first. side 1 matrix A is really side TWO. side 2 matrix B which is on right now.....starts with asiatic raes....the true side 1. "go buy the fred cohen book go buy the fred cohen book" that all im hearing nowdays. well fred put THAT in yr pipe and smoke it, i bet his book doenst tell u abt THAT.... Quote
sidewinder Posted November 15, 2011 Report Posted November 15, 2011 well fred put THAT in yr pipe and smoke it Quote
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