facebook fantasy

[jostber]

Facebook can also be a nice place for people to make a fool of themselves posting when drunk, for 13 year old girls to expose themselves to older boys and men in an effective way, for people to show how boring they really are by posting uninteresting details from daily stuff, school children that have fewer friends than some of their more "popular" class mates feel bad about it, girlfriends use it as a place to connect with their exes, some people post pictures of friends without asking them, it's used by extremist networks to recruit young people, teachers adding only some of their students as friends and so on. And now the place might be opened for kids...

http://www.geek.com/articles/news/facebook-is-working-on-accounts-for-kids-2012064/

Edited June 5, 2012 by jostber

[JETman]

All this technology is a dangerous thing.

It's been that way since before the wheel. The verdict isn't in yet but many believe the widespread of cellphone cameras might be deterring crime.

You're comparing apples to oranges. Technology from "before the wheel" was aimed at the growth of civilization. To put FB in that category would be foolish.

[Blue Train]

All this technology is a dangerous thing.

It's been that way since before the wheel. The verdict isn't in yet but many believe the widespread of cellphone cameras might be deterring crime.

You're comparing apples to oranges. Technology from "before the wheel" was aimed at the growth of civilization. To put FB in that category would be foolish.

Do you realize just how absurd you come across? First it was Facebook = Technology and now since you were called out on that....this is your response.

No one forces anyone to post anything on Facebook. Honestly, even as convoluted as Facebook makes it....you have to be just lazy or don't give a shit if you're an adult. It honestly isn't that difficult for anyone that really cares....especially if they're going to use their real names.

And in this day and age ("technology" boogeyman alert!), it doesn't take long to google (more "technology" bogeyman alert) how to do anything for anyone that really cares. And I realize you must think kids are stupider than adults, but it is generally reverse when it comes to computers and the internet (Lions, tigers and bears. Oh my!). At that point, it's an issue of parental oversight.

Oh yeah, Cambria....and it's the kids that are the only two who have some sort of a clue. Maybe their parents might ask them how to get the same clue.

Edited June 6, 2012 by Blue Train

[AllenLowe]

1) Berigan - I saw the Happenings perform that version of I Got Rhythm, maybe in 1968. I like it, and it was a hit, IIRC.

2) Re Facebook: my current recording project is almost bizarrely complicated, and I would not have been able to do it without Facebook, where I met Ras Moshe, Noah Preminger, Jon-Erik Kelso, Kevin Ray, Dean Bowman, and others who will be recording with me.

3) I also actually got a JOB through Facebook, which is why I am now a Visiting Professor at the Berklee School of Music. No kidding, I became friends with the guy who later hired me.

Edited June 6, 2012 by AllenLowe

[JETman]

1) Berigan - I saw the Happenings perform that version of I Got Rhythm, maybe in 1968. I like it, and it was a hit, IIRC.

2) Re Facebook: my current recording project is almost bizarrely complicated, and I would not have been able to do it without Facebook, where I met Ras Moshe, Noah Preminger, Jon-Erik Kelso, Kevin Ray, Dean Bowman, and others who will be recording with me.

3) I also actually got a JOB through Facebook, which is why I am now a Visiting Professor at the Berklee School of Music. No kidding, I became friends with the guy who later hired me.

Good for you, Allen.

This is clearly an example of how FB can be used properly. However, this does NOT mean that the inherent dangers just disappear. As with anything, enter at your own risk.

[JETman]

All this technology is a dangerous thing.

It's been that way since before the wheel. The verdict isn't in yet but many believe the widespread of cellphone cameras might be deterring crime.

You're comparing apples to oranges. Technology from "before the wheel" was aimed at the growth of civilization. To put FB in that category would be foolish.

Do you realize just how absurd you come across? First it was Facebook = Technology and now since you were called out on that....this is your response.

No one forces anyone to post anything on Facebook. Honestly, even as convoluted as Facebook makes it....you have to be just lazy or don't give a shit if you're an adult. It honestly isn't that difficult for anyone that really cares....especially if they're going to use their real names.

And in this day and age ("technology" boogeyman alert!), it doesn't take long to google (more "technology" bogeyman alert) how to do anything for anyone that really cares. And I realize you must think kids are stupider than adults, but it is generally reverse when it comes to computers and the internet (Lions, tigers and bears. Oh my!). At that point, it's an issue of parental oversight.

Oh yeah, Cambria....and it's the kids that are the only two who have some sort of a clue. Maybe their parents might ask them how to get the same clue.

Be careful. You talk a pretty big (and condescending) game without knowing what I'm about. If you'll return to my initial post, you'll notice that I was just playing a devil's advocate of sorts (answering why many on this board may diss FB so much). Nowhere in any of my posts did I state whether or not I am/was a Facebook user. This is yet another example of "internet dwelling" and being all too eager to jump on (argue against/dismiss) the next contrary thought/opinion.

[jostber]

A quite thorough article here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Facebook

[rostasi]

Still, amidst all of the criticisms within that WikiP article and

the talk here and elsewhere of how the consumer is ultimately responsible,

there's still the asshole himself to consider:

FB's odious beginnings, its pride in personal disregard of others

in this mid-period and its eventual death due to the same disregard

coupled with a condescending egotistical approach to social networking.

I don't see this same attitude from Brin & Page (except for some

recent rule changing) and even less from Jack Dorsey

(and Twitter was something I thought was a ridiculous idea at first).

It doesn't matter how "careful" you are after you sign up.

The actual "signing up" already empties you of your self-respect, dignity,

rights to privacy and ownership of anything audible, visual or textual

that you decide to post. You could already do that at Murdoch's SkewsCorp

entity "MySpace" - why debase yourself even further?

Nick Bilton, lead technology blogger for the The New York Times‘ Bits Blog tweets:

“Off record chat w/Facebook employee: Me: How does Zuck feel about privacy?

Response: [laughter] He doesn’t believe in it.”

I'm predicting that he'll self-destruct by 2015 - probably physically - he's already

moving there mentally. Watch this Valley-boy sweat and evade

(and it's not just the hoodie and lights).

Don't forget to clean up the slime off of your keyboard:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3hu3iG8B2g

Edited June 8, 2012 by rostasi

[AllenLowe]

what I see is a strange but smart guy who has Aspergers. Hardly self-immolation.

[RDK]

Geez, Facebook paranoia runs deep...

[rostasi]

The circle jerk fest runs deeper.

(BTW: Happy Birthday. Fifty can be a hard one)

[AllenLowe]

who's jerking off and who's 50 (I have trouble keeping up with the local feuds)?

[RDK]

who's jerking off and who's 50 (I have trouble keeping up with the local feuds)?

Me! Er, at least the fifty part...

[jostber]

Geez, Facebook paranoia runs deep...

It might be for a reason based on people's experiences. Do you mean that Facebook should not be criticised? And that it's only a positive thing for everyone, including 13 year old kids? Does this enormous virtual network that has taken over many people's lives and decide what they mean, how they expose themselves to the world, and will be there forever, not have any negative aspects?

Edited June 10, 2012 by jostber

[Tim McG]

I have also had many positive experiences with Facebook. The negativity about Facebook on this board mystifies me.

It baffles me, too.

I have no doubt that if used properly and to one's own advantage, Facebook can be an awesome tool for many things. However, there have been a couple of well-publicized downsides. Off the top of my head:

1. I've heard stories of job offers being rescinded because of behavior witnessed on Facebook accounts.

2. Kids often post pics on Facebooks that have been taken using smartphones. Last year, it was discovered that such pics contain GPS technology embedded in them. Predators have been using this technology to actively stalk children. As a father of two teenagers, this is the one I have the biggest problem with.

Hopefully, I've helped you guys to become a little more unbaffled.

Good point.

I, too, have read/heard of such issues. However, if you completely lock down your FB account where all anyone can see who hasn't "friended" you [God, I hate that "word"] is your name and picture, the only way in is to hack your account.

Personally, I wouldn't want to work for a boss who would stoop to such measures.

As to the stalking issue, kids that are too young shouldn't have a FB account in the first place. The parents need to get a handle on that to keep their children safe. Same could happen on an e-mail account, too. As a father of a teen myself, I am very aware of what she does on the Web. In fact, both my kids are on my Friends list. They can look in on me [and my wife/their Mom] just like we can look in on them. IMHO, it's a win-win as long as the parents don't "abuse" the privelge, so-to-speak.

Just sayin'.

Edited June 9, 2012 by GoodSpeak

[JETman]

Another solution is just not to bother with Facebook at all. Then you don't have to worry about settings, and lo and behold, you won't die without it either.

[The Magnificent Goldberg]

Another solution is just not to bother with Facebook at all. Then you don't have to worry about settings, and lo and behold, you won't die without it either.

Couldn't have put it better myself

MG

[JETman]

Another solution is just not to bother with Facebook at all. Then you don't have to worry about settings, and lo and behold, you won't die without it either.

Couldn't have put it better myself

MG

Thank you. The obvious is lost on many here.

[Tim McG]

Another solution is just not to bother with Facebook at all. Then you don't have to worry about settings, and lo and behold, you won't die without it either.

You could try that, I suppose.

However, I prefer to catch up with old friends and aquaintances instead. I think if you're going to use FB, you just need to be smart about it is all.

[jostber]

Another solution is just not to bother with Facebook at all. Then you don't have to worry about settings, and lo and behold, you won't die without it either.

Couldn't have put it better myself

MG

AOL comparision:

http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/is-facebook-2012-the-same-as-aol-2001.php

Burglars like it:

http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/the-problem-with-oversharing-why-burglars-like-you-using-facebook-20120609-2030x.html

Not all are using Fbook correctly:

http://socialbarrel.com/uk-high-court-compels-facebook-to-expose-trolls/38659/

Is it a sustainable business model?

http://www.bworldonline.com/weekender/content.php?id=53066

Some things not to say on Fbook:

http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2012/06/11-things-to-never-ever-say-on-facebook/

Why he left:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/theresa-payton/facebook-privacy_b_1540938.html

[rostasi]

Facebook draws user ire with email switcheroo

[jostber]

Facebook Addiction Disorder:

http://sickfacebook.com/350million-people-suffering-facebook-addiction-disorder-fad/

Advantages of not using FB:

http://sickfacebook.com/6-advantages-of-not-using-facebook/

[RDK]

I find the idea of an anti-FB blog ironic and hilarious. And he accuses Facebookers of "wasting time?" At least we're wasting time on something we enjoy instead of wasting our time urging others to conform to their beliefs. The guy must be a Christian Conservative.

[Hot Ptah]

Another solution is just not to bother with Facebook at all. Then you don't have to worry about settings, and lo and behold, you won't die without it either.

Couldn't have put it better myself

MG

Thank you. The obvious is lost on many here.

I have received great pleasure from Facebook in reconnecting with old friends who I knew decades ago, but lost touch with. They have now become some of my closest friends again. This has added to the quality of my life very significantly. It would not have happened except for Facebook. One can be glib about dismissing something, and ridiculing others, but there can be more than one credible way to look at an issue.

[Tim McG]

I find the idea of an anti-FB blog ironic and hilarious. And he accuses Facebookers of "wasting time?" At least we're wasting time on something we enjoy instead of wasting our time urging others to conform to their beliefs. The guy must be a Christian Conservative.

I was thinking the same thing.

Another solution is just not to bother with Facebook at all. Then you don't have to worry about settings, and lo and behold, you won't die without it either.

Couldn't have put it better myself

MG

Thank you. The obvious is lost on many here.

I have received great pleasure from Facebook in reconnecting with old friends who I knew decades ago, but lost touch with. They have now become some of my closest friends again. This has added to the quality of my life very significantly. It would not have happened except for Facebook. One can be glib about dismissing something, and ridiculing others, but there can be more than one credible way to look at an issue.

Well put, Hot Pah.