fasstrack Posted October 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2012 I honestly don't know anything about John Zorn. My ears tell me they're similar and I've always relied on and trusted them. It's the way notes are approached, not dead on but bent, and an inexact concept of pitch that are similar and give them both personality. To me, that is. I'm not one of these egghead type musicians, always analyzing and looking for connections. Sometimes I wish I were. This was just an observation, not something I'm going to spend years studying like an ethnomusicologist. A part of me IS interested in similarities in people, and I'm sure that's part of what draws me to being a performing musician as opposed to a purely behind-the-scenes contributor such as an arranger, trying to get to something universal people can feel. And please excuse that self-reflective moment. Just trying to explain myself. Anyway my ear and intuition sorts a lot of things out and right or wrong the similarity was noticeable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertoart Posted October 22, 2012 Report Share Posted October 22, 2012 I'm sure your ears are fine. I was just pointing out that the formal similarities will exist across most ethnic/folk musics and the Blues. Probably lots of musicians and music scribes would be hoping in some way to reconcile their social history with their listening history. Does the author make any big claims beyond just exploring the social connections/oral history of Jewish/Jazz networks? Same for Zorn? How does he talk about the Blues and Jewish music - is it anything beyond just exploring musical homonym's - or does he think it's something more significant. His Post-Modernist free-play seems really old fashioned now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertoart Posted October 22, 2012 Report Share Posted October 22, 2012 (edited) So another question might be... Does the distinction remain as Jewish people who play Jazz or is the claim Jewish Jazz hmmmm.....thought so. Here's one Jewish person's perspective. You might find this interesting Fasstrack as it echoes a lot of things you say re-music breaking down barriers, My link Edited October 22, 2012 by freelancer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fasstrack Posted October 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2012 Well, I guess the guy has a point. Gerber wrote the book, I just read parts of it. Maybe he IS obsessed w/ethnic identity, who knows? He seemed gracious in correspondence, and willing to listen to other points of view and take well-meant criticism. Me, I'm just a musician, not hung up on this stuff at all. It's tiresome when some musician wraps him/herself in whatever ethnic identity, and usually reeks of musical shortcomings. Be proud of your roots if you feel that but don't make it a 'thing'-that's a potential music-killer. Still I thought the writer went a little far in trashing Gerber for having that type of radio show. As long as he's up-front about his views, and especially if the music's good, what's the harm? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertoart Posted October 22, 2012 Report Share Posted October 22, 2012 Well, I guess the guy has a point. Gerber wrote the book, I just read parts of it. Maybe he IS obsessed w/ethnic identity, who knows? He seemed gracious in correspondence, and willing to listen to other points of view and take well-meant criticism. Me, I'm just a musician, not hung up on this stuff at all. It's tiresome when some musician wraps him/herself in whatever ethnic identity, and usually reeks of musical shortcomings. Be proud of your roots if you feel that but don't make it a 'thing'-that's a potential music-killer. Still I thought the writer went a little far in trashing Gerber for having that type of radio show. As long as he's up-front about his views, and especially if the music's good, what's the harm? Yeh, I don't think a radio show celebrating Jewish Jazz musicians is a necessarily fascist undertaking Unfortunately the insinuation is that it's connected to a wider cultural project that seems to be going beyond celebrating the Jewish participation in Jazz - re-post 28 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christiern Posted October 22, 2012 Report Share Posted October 22, 2012 Isn't it time to abandon an exhausted topic for something else? How about: Blues Bulgarians Swing Swedes Ragtime Romanians Soft jazz Senegalese Mainstream Mexicans Hard Bop Hawaiians Dixieland Druids Gavotte Gypsies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertoart Posted October 22, 2012 Report Share Posted October 22, 2012 Isn't it time to abandon an exhausted topic for something else? How about: Blues Bulgarians Swing Swedes Ragtime Romanians Soft jazz Senegalese Mainstream Mexicans Hard Bop Hawaiians Dixieland Druids Gavotte Gypsies I'm sure there is a tome or two in that lot. Although I must warn you about the Mainstream Mexicans Apparently they're all hats and no substance. Now the Dixieland Druids....they're deep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Kart Posted October 22, 2012 Report Share Posted October 22, 2012 Avant-garde Azerbaijanis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlhoots Posted October 22, 2012 Report Share Posted October 22, 2012 Pissed off old men. No alliteration there though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSngry Posted October 22, 2012 Report Share Posted October 22, 2012 Pissed off old men. No alliteration there though. Griping Gumflapping Geezers. Don't ever let it be said that I'm not here for those in need! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fasstrack Posted October 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2012 Pissed off old men! Bullseye. Screw alliteration. THAT was funny.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillF Posted October 22, 2012 Report Share Posted October 22, 2012 Swing Swedes Shouldn't that be "Swinging Swedes"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted October 22, 2012 Report Share Posted October 22, 2012 Yodeling Yids. Mamboing Midgets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fasstrack Posted October 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2012 There already was a yodelin' yid. Sorry to disappoint you. Only I can't remember who it is that used that handle. Someone on WBAI I think. The late Citizen Kafka? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fasstrack Posted October 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2012 Max Aaronson, an early cowboy actor was the Yodelin' Yid. Also went by the Hasid Hayseed. And that's more than enough of this... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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