Not again!

[danasgoodstuff]

http://www.vrtxmag.com/articles/why-isnt-jazz-popular/

[JSngry]

Will Kamasi Washington's fans be reading this article?  And if not, why?

[Hot Ptah]

Jim, I am missing your point? Why would they either read it or not?

[Larry Kart]

Because, among other things, they'd never see it?

Or wouldn't care to read it even if they did?

[Hot Ptah]

Well, this is very anecdotal information, based on a sample size of one. I have an old grade school friend, who lives far away from me. We often discuss music in emails. In his late 50s he has become a devotee of new, alternative rock, and the new electronic pop music. He keeps up on all of the new releases. He is an avid reader of Pitchfork and other contemporary pop music publications. He is a huge fan of Flying Lotus and the other Pitchfork favorites. (By the way, he has burned CD-Rs for me of Flying Lotus. I would not go out of my way to seek out this music, but I am surprised by the imagination and density of ideas in these albums).

My friend knows about jazz, and owns probably 1,000 jazz albums. Mingus and Monk are his all time favorites. He regularly forwards jazz articles in Pitchfork to me. So I have always thought that some of the alternative rock fans/electronic music fans may know something about jazz. It can be misleading to lump an entire group of people together under a stereotype.

[Scott Dolan]

I'd bet you're wrong about that, HP. Based on my experience, hardly anyone into those genres have the slightest idea what Jazz even is. And the majority of the few who might only know the names Miles Davis and John Coltrane because they've been name dropped in tunes they've listened to. 

[Hot Ptah]

On the other hand, hardly anyone into any genre has the slightest idea what jazz even is. Why pick on the Pitchfork crowd?

I think that I need to stop reading this "Jazz in Print" section of the board. It seems to irritate me.

The Steve Hoffman Forum is famous for some of its members lashing out negatively at any new music release and attacking any younger musician, and then other members comment on how the first members are too negative about new music, and then the first members say "well new music and musicians are not as good as the older ones" and then the second group of members says "don't be so close minded all the time", and then the discussion goes on and on, back and forth. .

I had not really encountered any hint of that on Organissimo, until I started reading "Jazz in Print". I need to not read "Jazz in Print."

Edited January 29, 2016 by Hot Ptah

[Scott Dolan]

???

I'm not getting the "pick on the Pitchfork crowd" part. Who did that? 

[Dmitry]

2 hours ago, Hot Ptah said:

Why pick on the Pitchfork crowd?

 

I don't know if this was intentional, but it made me chuckle.

[Hot Ptah]

1 hour ago, Scott Dolan said:

???

I'm not getting the "pick on the Pitchfork crowd" part. Who did that?

I meant the indie rock fans. What I meant is that no fans of any music know anything about jazz now. So, why is this thread singling out the young, indie rock fans who have become Kamasi Washington fans recently?

[Scott Dolan]

In fairness, Jim is the only one that mentioned Washington. I do agree with your overall point, though. 

[JSngry]

My point is simply that Washington's scene seems to be more about enjoying music as part of an overall social energy than about writing/reading/discussing all these angsty/emo Why Don't More People LIKE Me bullshit. Too busy enjoying the people in the room to fret over how many people aren't in it.

I like THAT, that's what I like.