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I CAN'T STAND THE WAIT!!! I just hope it's not as expensive as the Charley Patton box.

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Interesting take from Boston... ********************************** DAN SHAUGHNESSY Pedro is the one at fault By Dan Shaughnessy, Globe Columnist, 10/13/2003 This Red Sox-Yankee playoff, which could still be one for the ages, has at least temporarily deteriorated into a WWE steel-cage match. There's a rumor the Sox have hired Hells Angels to guard the Yankee bullpen tonight. ADVERTISEMENT Let's not forget that we are here because of the irresponsible actions of one man: Pedro Martinez. Excluding the Paul Williams-Yankee bullpen ugliness (nobody ever knows who starts a barroom brawl, but it certainly seemed like the Yankees piled on once they had him down), Pedro's the one who got everybody into this mess. Which begs the question: How come Sox stars behave like babies when they are here, then mature when they go someplace else? Which one would you rather have now, Sox fans? Roger Clemens -- who kept his composure and behaved like a professional Saturday night, winning the game for his team despite his obvious anger? Or Pedro, the baby who hits a guy after he blows a lead, then points at his head and at Yankee catcher Jorge Posada, threatening "you're next"? Pedro said a few words yesterday and claimed that gesture was actually him telling Posada that he'll remember Posada's angry words. Sure. And he wasn't trying to hit Karim Garcia. And those young women hang out with Donald Trump because they really dig his hair. Sox fans don't like to hear this, but Pedro was an embarrassment and a disgrace to baseball Saturday. He gets away with it because he's Pedro. And the Sox front office enables him, just as they do Manny Ramirez. Just as they did with Roger when he was here and Yaz when he was here and Ted when he was here. The tail still wags the dog around here. The Sox have no control over their stars. That's the way it was for Clemens when he was here. Roger had to go elsewhere to grow up. And we all know it took a while. Everyone in baseball knows what Pedro was doing in the fourth inning. He'd blown a 2-0 lead. The Yankees were kicking him around Fenway. The old magic was gone and no doubt he was frustrated. It can't be fun knowing your team is 9-15 when you start against the Yankees. So what did he do? With first base empty and a righty on deck, he threw a pitch behind Garcia, grazing him in the shoulder. Then it got worse. After Garcia's slide into second baseman Todd Walker, and angry words with Pedro, the Yankees and Sox started coming out of their dugouts and Pedro made his outrageous threats. (Oh, I forgot, it wasn't a threat. He was actually telling Posada he needed a haircut.) No. This was: You're next. I'll hit you in the head, too. Pretty brave stuff when you never have to bat. Pretty good way to take the attention away from the fact your skills are declining and you have trouble beating this team.Notice how none of Pedro's teammates have rushed to his defense? When he puts that tape around his locker, it's as if he's putting himself on his own island in his own clubhouse. It's interesting that the $17.5 million, 14-game winner is always talking about respect, yet his actions provoke baseball people to lose respect for him. More now than ever. The stuff still plays pretty well when he throws those four-hit shutouts, but there haven't been many of those lately. His ERA and strikeout ratios are still great, but he wore down in both Oakland games and had nothing when it counted against the Yankees. Do Sox fans still feel good about him as their Game 7 starter? Maybe. But not like before. The weird part is that Clemens was often a big baby when he played here. He wanted everything his way. He distanced himself from teammates. He didn't pitch well in the postseason. Ownership gave him a long leash. His self-immolation in the fourth game of the 1990 playoffs was a complete disgrace. But now he's equal parts Audie Murphy, Winston Churchill, and Cy Young. Why couldn't he have been that guy when he was here? And why can't Pedro be that guy now? This isn't about Pedro's non-takedown of Don Zimmer. Martinez had little choice in that matter. He was being charged. The photos look bad, but it's unfair to rip Pedro for Zimmer's misbehavior. But how come Zimm's the only one apologizing around here? Could Pedro one time stand up and admit he's wrong (angry e-mailers get back -- I already admitted I was wrong about David Ortiz)? He can't admit he threw at Garcia, no one ever does that, but could he apologize for losing his head when he pointed to his head? No. He has to reinvent the gesture. Maybe it doesn't matter to Sox fans, but that fuzzy Cubs-Red Sox World Series may not be America's dream matchup anymore. The Red Sox have done a lot of damage to themselves in the last two days and last night's ridiculous press conference featuring John W. Henry, Tom Werner, and Larry Lucchino only contributed to the madness. In violation of the commissioner's order (don't these guys remember that Bud Selig ordered bagman John Harrington to deliver the team to them?) the three amigos stood up and defended everything that happened Saturday, including Pedro's obvious head-hunting. The new baby Pedro apparently needs demons in order to perform at his best. Throughout this year, he has found imaginary enemies to inspire his talents. His big complaint is always "lack of respect." His critics are no longer imaginary. Now that they are real, maybe he'll be the pitcher the Sox need in Game 7. Dan Shaughnessy is a Globe columnist. His e-mail address is dshaughnessy@globe.com. © Copyright 2003 Globe Newspaper Company.

For your blasphemy, welcome to the banned list. Actually, I can understand what Davef is saying. "Smalls.." is not one of those things that knocks you over the first listen, at least it didn't for me. After awhile though, I've really started to like this cd, and now I love it. It shows Smith in the midst of changing his style, remember, this was recorded in November of 1957, so the Smith that was heard on "At The Baby Grand" is no longer, he's changed into a better player, who is exploring different facets of the organ. It's not a session that will stun you the first time you hear it, but it a great one none the less. The sound on this cd is strange also, it sounds like there's only two peole in the crowd, and they could care less what's going on.

The miracle of the Zimmer thing is this: He was able to remove his lips from Torre's ass long enough to get out there!

At least it looks like they'll make it. And thank all that is good: The Dodgers have finally been sold and are out of the Evil Empire. P.S. Welcome to the board a.j., nice to have you here.

Hah! Anytime a Yankee gets punked, that makes my day.

Donald Byrd's Slow Drag. An absolutely overrated session, and having Sonny Red on sax didn't help a bit. Just NEVER liked the way Red plays, it's like a hamster running in its wheel -- a lot of action but it's not going anywhere.

That's my favorte comic! I've come to really enjoy the adventures of the whole strip and watching everone grow up. To bad I never had a sister to call "Lizard breath!". For Better or Worse Rules!! But, I'm also very excited about "Outland" coming back. That was always a must read, and I was very disappointed when Breathed stopped the comic. Well, he has a wealth material to handle this time around.

That's quite the image, Jimmy Smith shedding with a drawing of the foot pedals on the wall in front of him. I hope his health has improved recently. Thanks for the articles, B3-er!

I'd like to do just that. Forgive me if this is a stupid question, but are these available? I noticed at CDUniverse they've been on backorder for a loooooooong time. I need to get this set. Give me yours please. You might have better luck with Tower Records, I know there are some in-store, if not on-line. I just saw, I think, both vol. 1 & 2 in the Sunset Tower this morning. At least one of 'em. Boy, I'm getting old, can't even remember what I saw just five hours ago!

The thing that really pissed me off was that this was not even a pre-order, it was listed on their website as having copies available. How people can run a company like that, I don't know. Business ethics in some American companies are sorely lacking.

Thanks Shrdlu. That clears things up nicely.

I did. It was for Traditionalism Revisited. Same story: Charged my credit card; then viola! So sorry, we're out of it. NEVER got my money back. decided not to fight since it was only about $10.00. Needles to say, never went back.

Notice: This is a rant against Blue Note Excuse the back to back post but I want to make one comment about Blue Note in general and Mike Cuscuna: How many times over the years has a session been held back from release because the "powers that be" tell us it sounds like crap. Then, after years of pleading, it comes out on cd and it sound great! I mean, what the heck is that all about. We have two prime examples in front of us. For the Hill cd, Cuscuna actually spoke of it in a slighting manner in the Hill Mosaic booklet, basicly saying it was unlistenable. "Mother Ship" is another one that was supposed to be junk, and it's great. Memo to Blue Note: If you don't want to rerelease something just let it go at that, don't be dumping on the artosts by giving hints it's worthless music. End of rant

Wow! I really, really, like this session. It's not so out that is doesn't make any sense, it does have a nice feel to it. Herbert Morgan is a surprise, I've never heard him before and he's very good. Lee Morgan, of course is outstanding, I especially like what he does on "Visions", good ideas just flowing. Youg is playing so creatively on this cd; he supporting each player in an unique manner, and soloing on fire. Highly recommended. B)

It's those qualities that makes me so excited about these first two years of Smith at Blue Note. Just to listen to the cds of Incredible Jimmy Smith at Club Baby Grand is an amazing experience. It's funny how the crowd reacts after Sweet Georgia Brown -- they are going wild, not believing what they just heard. And to top off the reaction, someone in the crowds yells above the din; "Meanwhile, back in the jungle!" One of those recorded moments that is worth it's weight in gold. The excitement; the creativity; the fun that everyone is having, makes you have fun listening to the cds. I also love the Monk influence at this period of time on Smith. Sometime it's like Monk is playing the organ. This is something that I cannot find any writing on but, to me, Monk is all over the 1957 recordings.

Shane: PM'd you.

Thanks Mike, that helps. These are the songs listed on Special Guests on AMG: 1. 'S Wonderful (Gershwin/Gershwin) 2. The Blue Room (Hart/Rodgers) 3. Day In - Day Out (Bloom/Mercer) 4. Smith Walk 5. Lonesome Road (Austin/Shilkret) What I really need to do is break down, and bite the bullet, and just buy the "Blue Note Discography", but it's so expensive . Why don't they put it out on CD Rom, now that I would buy in a second!

What I'm not understanding about Special Guests is how Grant Green is listed as one of the players for a 1957 release? I always thought that the only time Smith & Grant recorded together is on I'm Movin' On, which is a January 31, 1963 release. Is the listing wrong? or is there another, earlier meeting between the two. Or is it that most of the cuts on Special Guests come from 1957, except the Green, which is a leftover from 1963? Minor thing, I know but the kind of thing that tugs at the mind.

Thanks for the help guys, I'm going have to track down these, for sure. Past couple of weeks I'm just going crazy over the 1956 - 1957 years, I mean, this is the absolute beginning of a genre of jazz that is still going strong. It's ungodly what Smith did in these two years -- check out these releases, IN TWO YEARS TIME!!!!!!!!!! 1956 A New Sound, A New Star: Jimmy Smith at the... Blue Note 1956 The Champ Blue Note 1956 A New Sound, A New Star: Jimmy Smith at the... Blue Note 1956 The Incredible Jimmy Smith at the Organ,... Blue Note 1956 The Incredible Jimmy Smith at Club Baby... [live] Blue Note 1956 The Incredible Jimmy Smith at Club Baby... [live] Blue Note 1957 A Date with Jimmy Smith, Vol. 1 Blue Note 1957 The Sounds of Jimmy Smith Blue Note 1957 A Date with Jimmy Smith, Vol. 2 Blue Note 1957 Jimmy Smith at the Organ, Vol. 1 Blue Note 1957 Jimmy Smith at the Organ, Vol. 2 Blue Note 1957 Plays Pretty Just for You Blue Note 1957 The Incredible Jimmy Smith Blue Note 1957 Jimmy Smith Trio + LD Blue Note 1957 Confirmation Blue Note 1957 Special Guests Blue Note 1957 House Party Blue Note 1957 Groovin' at Small's Paradise, Vol. 1 [live] Blue Note 1957 Groovin' at Small's Paradise, Vol. 2 [live] Blue Note 1957 Groovin' at Small's Paradise, Vols. 1-2 [LP] [live] Blue Note 1957 Groovin' at Small's Paradise, Vols. 1-2 [CD] [live] Blue Note 1957 Lonesome Road Guys, I'm serious, has any other jazz musician put out so many quality sessions in TWO YEARS!!?? It is so AMAZING!! If Smith wasn't "just an organ player", people would be going nuts over this. For some reason, there are people who think it is the easiest thing in the world to put together organ jazz dates. Well, its not. There is so much creativity going on in 56 -57, it's hard to take in. Sorry for going on like this but it truly is the INCREDIBLE JIMMY SMITH!!

I'm trying to track down these two sessions since I'm really into Smith during the 1956 - 57 years. I need help with two questions 1. Lonesome Road: Was this released as part of the TOCJ series? Does anyone have its number? 2. Special Guests: This looks like an absolutely killer session. The players are: George Coleman - Sax (Tenor), Curtis Fuller (Trombone), Grant Green (Guitar), Sam Jones (Bass), Lee Morgan (Trumpet), Stanley Turrentine (Sax Tenor), Donald Bailey (Drums), Eddie McFadden (Guitar), and Jimmy Smith. I mean Holy Crap, Batman!, look at that line up again! Has this lp ever been released on cd? Are these numbers spead out on other cds? Is this lp any good? Any help is greatly appreciated as I try to come to grips with this era in the music of Jimmy Smith.

Jimmy Smith: The Complete February 1957 Sessions Jimmy Smith: A New Sound, A New Star Jimmy Smith: Incredible Jimmy Smith at Club Baby Grand vol. 1 & 2 I have come to really dig Smith's sound in 1956 - 57. You can see someone exploring a new way of playing. One of these days I'm going to do a big, honking long post on the 56 - 57 recordings. You are warned.

B3-er: Thanks for the insight into the workings of the B-3, very interesting.

GofM: How's the Ambler book? I was thinking of getting a couple the next time I go to the bookstore.