Larry Kart Posted December 29, 2004 Report Share Posted December 29, 2004 Another tough one for me -- and I'm not sure I've turned the corner yet -- is Gerry Mulligan as a soloist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted December 29, 2004 Report Share Posted December 29, 2004 Another tough one for me -- and I'm not sure I've turned the corner yet -- is Gerry Mulligan as a soloist. Don't you like noodles? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medjuck Posted December 29, 2004 Report Share Posted December 29, 2004 I used to never get early Stan Getz even though I liked his post mid-50's stuff. Bought the much lauded Storyville sessions and didn't see what all the fuss was about. Then last week I listened to it again and it was great!. I'm still waiting to get post '70 Miles. I do find I enjoy watching DVDs of thelater groups but don't enjoy just listening to them on cd. Similarly I've loved Cecil Taylor in concert but don't listen to him on record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny E Posted December 29, 2004 Report Share Posted December 29, 2004 OK, it's not jazz but here goes.... I used to not like the Rolling Stones. Growing up I was a Beatles guy all the way (still am really) but once I moved out, got away from my brothers who also didn't like the Stones (still don't) and began to listen with a more open and independant mind, I found the Stones to be pretty fucking kick ass. Especially Begger's Banquit and Goats Head Soup. Now I listen to the Stones all the time, especially when I'm cleaning the house. They are great pick-me-up music! And Keith Richards guitar sound is one of the truely original things in Rock, period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bright Moments Posted December 29, 2004 Report Share Posted December 29, 2004 for me it was monk. at first i just did not GET him. but then a`switch went on and now i really dig him. also, loved the documentary "straight no chaser". B-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Nessa Posted December 29, 2004 Report Share Posted December 29, 2004 I don't DISagree w/you Mr. Kart but we're STILL wrong-- if Neshui wasn't dead we could ask him Wrong Turk Clem. T'was brother Ahmet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Kart Posted December 29, 2004 Report Share Posted December 29, 2004 As I tried to say in that part of the book -- and I mean tried, because I'm not bent that way -- cabaret is one bent universe. On the other hand, some performers who kind of belong there -- like Jeri Southern and Chicagoan Audrey Morris -- really get under my skin. Actually, one of the best litmus tests that separates cabaret singing from jazz singing is to compare Southern and Lee Wiley. Southern does a lot of really nice musical things, but every musical choice she makes seems to spring from her pre-existing response to the song's lyric -- either to its overall mood or some to word- or moment-specific dramatic point she wants to make. Wiley a is great interpreter of lyrics and not often overtly jazzy, if that's the right term, but she's always deep into the music first and foremost, riding on its flow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzmoose Posted December 29, 2004 Report Share Posted December 29, 2004 I guess the most obvious "didn't get but now do" for me is Ornette. Took forever and a day... There are plenty of artists who didn't click at first, but then if this was easy listening I'd be bored by now anyway! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul secor Posted December 30, 2004 Report Share Posted December 30, 2004 Took me some time to learn to appreciate Bird. I think this has largely to do with my having heard too many Bird-derived players before I ever got back to the source. Hence I initially heard what sounded -- but could not be taken to be -- cliches in his playing. Also, i sometimes found it difficult to hear him as an integral part of his ensembles, i.e., as anything other than a virtuoso soloist who habitually left his accompanists in the dust. So, other players ruined Bird somewhat for me. At first. I wonder -- have others here had this kind of experience with Parker or other widely imitated players? I had very much the same experience you describe when I first heard Bud Powell. I had heard so many of his followers and imitators before I heard him that it took some hard and long listening before I could hear what he was playing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenLowe Posted December 31, 2004 Report Share Posted December 31, 2004 (edited) Per Larry, previous page: I, too, don't get Mabel Mercer - as a matter of fact I HATE MABEL MERCER, though some people I respect actually like her singing, so who knows? And I heartily agree about GerryMulligan as a soloist - never did like his playing - I actually think it was best said by Martin Williams, who pointed out that Mulligan doesn't appear really to be playing a solo, but playing AT playing a solo - exactly my sentiments - I'll take Lars Gullin any day - Edited December 31, 2004 by AllenLowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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