7/4 Posted June 20, 2010 Report Share Posted June 20, 2010 I always loved this artwork: Camel - Moonmadness spinning this right now. melodic, no guitar/keyboard/percussion heroes on this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Lark Ascending Posted June 20, 2010 Report Share Posted June 20, 2010 Camel I could never cope with. They do that thing that drives me nuts in the weaker areas of prog-rock (and metal!) - play a phrase, then play it again; play another phrase, then play it again. I really wanted to like the line-up with Richard Sinclair, but... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7/4 Posted June 20, 2010 Report Share Posted June 20, 2010 (edited) Camel I could never cope with. They do that thing that drives me nuts in the weaker areas of prog-rock (and metal!) - play a phrase, then play it again; play another phrase, then play it again. I really wanted to like the line-up with Richard Sinclair, but... some call it minimalism, some call it prog..it's just some lightweight instrumental pop. Edited June 20, 2010 by 7/4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7/4 Posted June 20, 2010 Report Share Posted June 20, 2010 (edited) On Relayer: The songs themselves sound even more cut-and-paste than usual - fragments stiched together. I thought that was the classical influence, The Rite of Spring and Petrushka are like that too. Relayer may be the album where they got the closest to that music, they barely got there* with Wakeman in the band. *there = sort of like Stravinsky. they opened most concerts with a recording of the Firebird, but did they really show his influence in their music? Edited June 21, 2010 by 7/4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 They do that thing that drives me nuts in the weaker areas of prog-rock (and metal!) - play a phrase, then play it again; play another phrase, then play it again. ...unless I'm mistaken, this perfectly sums up the blues. play a phrase, play it again; play another phrase, then play it again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Alfredson Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 They do that thing that drives me nuts in the weaker areas of prog-rock (and metal!) - play a phrase, then play it again; play another phrase, then play it again. ...unless I'm mistaken, this perfectly sums up the blues. play a phrase, play it again; play another phrase, then play it again. Right and prog rock is supposed to get away from traditional forms, so perhaps that's Bev's beef with Camel. Concerning Relayer, it took me a long time to warm up to it. Yes, I think the quality of the recording itself is partly to blame but I get the feeling now that the band wanted it to be aggressive and gritty and the recording reflects that. It has some great melodies in there but they tend to get buried in the instrumentation, which again may be the point considering the subject matter of the lyrics. I wish they had done another record with Moraz. What did he do afterwards? Anything worthwhile? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 I wish they had done another record with Moraz. What did he do afterwards? Anything worthwhile? The Moody Blues primarily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Lark Ascending Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 They do that thing that drives me nuts in the weaker areas of prog-rock (and metal!) - play a phrase, then play it again; play another phrase, then play it again. ...unless I'm mistaken, this perfectly sums up the blues. play a phrase, play it again; play another phrase, then play it again. Well, I'm sure it happens in any instrumental music where the players improvisational abilities (or imaginations!) are limited. I'm talking mainly here about instrumental passages presented as 'solos' - the skilled improvisers seem almost incapable of playing the phrase the second time without varying it to a greater or lesser extent. There are a number of fascinating cheap box sets from Island, Harvest and Decca that collect examples of the wide swathe of the music of the late 60s and early 70s. An awful lot of it has not worn well - wooden rhythm sections, dreadful vocals (and lyrics) and those repeated phrases I'm talking about. In fact I played a disc from one of the two Decca sets a few days back - on two occasions I was taken aback at how wooden the tracks sounded. Camel on both occasions. There's a reason the likes of King Crimson, Yes and Genesis are still being listened to and these chaps aren't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Lark Ascending Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 On Relayer: The songs themselves sound even more cut-and-paste than usual - fragments stiched together. I thought that was the classical influence, The Rite of Spring and Petrushka are like that too. Relayer may be the album where they got the closest to that music, they barely got there* with Wakeman in the band. Perhaps. Though with Stravinsky's 'cut and paste' there's a melodic, harmonic or rhythmic logic that unites the disparate parts. They might seem episodic but it hangs together and I'm sure anyone with a score and an analytical brain could trace the links. I don't get that sense with Yes (understandably...they were working in a quite different environment) - seems more 'This sounds good, lets add this bit, how about this." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfISkpibSCY One of the ELP tracks I actually like, never seen this video before either. Lake looked very young. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7/4 Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 On Relayer: The songs themselves sound even more cut-and-paste than usual - fragments stiched together. I thought that was the classical influence, The Rite of Spring and Petrushka are like that too. Relayer may be the album where they got the closest to that music, they barely got there* with Wakeman in the band. Perhaps. Though with Stravinsky's 'cut and paste' there's a melodic, harmonic or rhythmic logic that unites the disparate parts. They might seem episodic but it hangs together and I'm sure anyone with a score and an analytical brain could trace the links. I don't get that sense with Yes (understandably...they were working in a quite different environment) - seems more 'This sounds good, lets add this bit, how about this." It always sounded natural to me. I remember seeing on the net - years ago- how someone had analysed Close to the Edge and decided it was in the same form as a sonata/concerto. I don't know enough about that sort of thing to know if it's true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7/4 Posted June 21, 2010 Report Share Posted June 21, 2010 Nice vid of Knife Edge! I love that first album. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Cat Posted June 22, 2010 Report Share Posted June 22, 2010 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8V-ueepk9s Brilliant Yes!!! Opeth, what do you tell me about damnation? great album I always loved this artwork: Camel - Moonmadness spinning this right now. melodic, no guitar/keyboard/percussion heroes on this one. yeah nice, not his best but still good, i like chord change on that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFrank Posted June 22, 2010 Report Share Posted June 22, 2010 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfISkpibSCY One of the ELP tracks I actually like, never seen this video before either. Lake looked very young. That's a good one - when ELP still had some integrity. Once Keith gave up the B3 for full-time synths, they went downhill pretty fast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chewy-chew-chew-bean-benitez Posted June 22, 2010 Report Share Posted June 22, 2010 hey bev, THIS was yes at their most punk>>>> "Release Release" (1978)!! omg!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Lark Ascending Posted June 22, 2010 Report Share Posted June 22, 2010 Nice vid of Knife Edge! I love that first album. Yes, easily their best. Lots of instrumental piano/bas/drums with no added synths. And where the synth does come in, it is such a steam-driven thing it sounds quite glorious. Though large swathes of that album are lifted from classical music. I didn't know that at the time so it hardly mattered; still sounds good now. Common practice at the time. You get the impression that the classically trained keyboard players were stitching in their practice pieces from college! Made for some nice 'now where did I hear that before' moments later on. 'La Cathedrale Engloutie' (Debussy Preludes) in particular, which was used on a Renaissance album. I think they 'borrowed' a whole chunk of a Beethoven piano sonata another album. hey bev, THIS was yes at their most punk>>>> "Release Release" (1978)!! omg!!!!! Is there a link there, chewy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aggie87 Posted June 30, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 30, 2010 Any Yes fans ever hear the Buggles' version of "Into the Lens" (aka I am a Camera)? Interesting to hear how Horn/Downes re-did the song after doing it on Drama with Howe/Squire/White... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcjHi6-bpdQ Here is Yes' version (w/cheesy homemade video): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvz6cUWsw9w Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn Posted June 30, 2010 Report Share Posted June 30, 2010 I really like the Drama album. Especially all the extra bonus cuts on the reissue. There's a great instrumental called Song #4 (Satellite) with some killer Howe. The other reason I like that album, is because the majority of the sound is the power trio, Howe & Squire really crank it up on that album. Machine Messiah has some brilliant segments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILLYQ Posted June 30, 2010 Report Share Posted June 30, 2010 Opeth however are beyond comparison. x2 Can either of you recomend a disc or two of Opeth for a newbie? Many thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzbo Posted June 30, 2010 Report Share Posted June 30, 2010 I"m neither of those two, but I'd highly recommend Damnation, Watershed, or Ghost Reveries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn Posted June 30, 2010 Report Share Posted June 30, 2010 Opeth however are beyond comparison. x2 Can either of you recomend a disc or two of Opeth for a newbie? Many thanks. I created a thread for the band. Some good video clips there. Lon's recommendations are good ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyo Posted June 30, 2010 Report Share Posted June 30, 2010 Any Yes fans ever hear the Buggles' version of "Into the Lens" (aka I am a Camera)? Interesting to hear how Horn/Downes re-did the song after doing it on Drama with Howe/Squire/White... It is indeed, although I guess it's probably closer to the song/demo they had before the Yes guys reworked the song rather than a reworking of a Yes song. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aggie87 Posted June 30, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 30, 2010 Any Yes fans ever hear the Buggles' version of "Into the Lens" (aka I am a Camera)? Interesting to hear how Horn/Downes re-did the song after doing it on Drama with Howe/Squire/White... It is indeed, although I guess it's probably closer to the song/demo they had before the Yes guys reworked the song rather than a reworking of a Yes song. I'm sure you're right, as it's a track they brought into their partnership with the Yes guys. I wonder how the Horn/Downes/Howe/Squire/White lineup would have evolved had it stayed together and continued producing music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7/4 Posted June 30, 2010 Report Share Posted June 30, 2010 I really like the Drama album. Especially all the extra bonus cuts on the reissue. There's a great instrumental called Song #4 (Satellite) with some killer Howe. The other reason I like that album, is because the majority of the sound is the power trio, Howe & Squire really crank it up on that album. Machine Messiah has some brilliant segments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILLYQ Posted July 1, 2010 Report Share Posted July 1, 2010 I"m neither of those two, but I'd highly recommend Damnation, Watershed, or Ghost Reveries. many thanks for the recs, Lonson, I'll check 'em out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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