BFT 207 - Link & Discussion

[randyhersom]

Labelmate Ramsey Lewis?

[Dub Modal]

9 minutes ago, randyhersom said:

Labelmate Ramsey Lewis?

That's not it, but I'm pretty sure you're going to get it soon. 

[JSngry]

#9 - crisp drums like Roy Haynes, but the time is not like Roys, more like Max. But Jamal connection? Vernell Fournier...but that's not Shearing?

Found the Elmo cut - L.S.M.F.T indeed.

And my apologies...thos changes are "Strike Up the Band", which would explain the title. I am failing...a few years ago this would have been a no-brainer...

 

[Dub Modal]

13 minutes ago, JSngry said:

#9 - crisp drums like Roy Haynes, but the time is not like Roys, more like Max. But Jamal connection? Vernell Fournier...but that's not Shearing?

Found the Elmo cut - L.S.M.F.T indeed.

Help me out with LSMFT...the song title's initials are there in that acronym but not sure of the others...

For #9: No Shearing or Fournier involved. No Max Roach either. 

[JSngry]

Oh, now I feel even older...

 

 

[Dub Modal]

1 hour ago, JSngry said:

Oh, now I feel even older...

 

 

Damn, I should've known. That's it though. From the Meditations album. 

[Dub Modal]

Summary update: 

Identified 100% - Songs 1, 2, 4, 5, 6, 8, 10, 14 & 15

Partially ID'd: 

#7 - Song & album unnamed, band ID'd 

#11 - Song & album unnamed, Tenor player is Frank Wess

#12 - Just need the song title as everything else is pretty much ID'd

#13 - Song & album unnamed, Charles McPherson on alto

Unidentified - Songs 3 & 9

If @Hot Ptah weighs in, I'm betting he can get #3 with no problem. 

I'm going to remain with the hints I've given so far for #9 at the moment. It's only June 3rd so plenty of time for more listening/guesses. 

Love reading the takes so far. Appreciate yall giving an ear and time for commentary.  

[JSngry]

15 hours ago, Dub Modal said:

For #9: No Shearing or Fournier involved. No Max Roach either. 

also no Roy Haynes, correct?

[Dub Modal]

3 minutes ago, JSngry said:

also no Roy Haynes, correct?

No Roy. 

[Dub Modal]

There's a Haynes connection though. 

[Pim]

1. No idea. But I like this a lot. This is really my kind of thing. Has a spiritual and African kind of feeling. This might end up on my wishlist as I have heard more of it.

2. Sounds like someone influenced by Bud Powel... oh yeah it's Hope, Elmo Hope! I love that guy. It's Lucky Strike from the trio album Meditations. Hope really is one of my favorite piano players.

3. No idea. Reggae meets gospel? Not bad but not really my kind of thing.

4. Ornette influenced player. I hear a cello so that must be Abdul Wadud and than the alto player must be Julius Hemphill? Lovely stuff. I just dug recently into his stuff so no idea bout album/composition.

5. Lovely baritone. Big Band arrangements. Duke? Harry Carney?

6. How Deep is the Ocean. Can't recognize the tenor player. Overall nice playing. Nothing exceptional.

7. Nice vibrato on that alto. Nice twist also into free playing. Might be Arthur Blythe?

8. No idea! Really, just no idea. Maybe the guitar player is somebody from the European scene? Terje Rypdal? Not my kind of thing.

9. Ahmad? Or somebody infleunced by Ahmad? Lots of space....

10. That's South America I am hearing. Something Peruvian or Bolivian? I am back in Cuzco again. I like traditional music a lot, thanks for this!

11. Don't know who that is. Sounds like someone with a lot of aaaaaaaiirrrrr. It's not Ben Webster, something more modern. Background music to me.

12. Oh yeah that must be the '40's. So the Baritone player might be Leo Parker? Can't recognize the trombonist. The tenor player is somebody influenced by Bean but it's not him. R&B player. Illinois?

13. No idea.

14. Something on ECM. Definitely not Tomasz Stanko. Kenny Wheeler?

15. I don't who this is but I like it a lot. Blues playing 2.0. Interested in the reveal!

Thanks for a very diverse BFT with lot's of stuff that I like. Hemphill, Hope... you are a man of great taste

[Dub Modal]

4 hours ago, Pim said:

Most of the tracks have been identified by other listeners at this point, some only partial and two (3 & 9) which remain unidentified. I'm not going to reveal them in my comments to you just in case you want to wait for the reveal, however if you do want to know some of them please see the other comments...

1. No idea. But I like this a lot. This is really my kind of thing. Has a spiritual and African kind of feeling. This might end up on my wishlist as I have heard more of it. Glad youlike it! This is obviously not from the US, and while it's not technically African, the drumming is; and it's definitely spiritual. 

2. Sounds like someone influenced by Bud Powel... oh yeah it's Hope, Elmo Hope! I love that guy. It's Lucky Strike from the trio album Meditations. Hope really is one of my favorite piano players. You got it! I know Waldron is your favorite, but I'm pretty sure Hope didn't make any bad albums. Always love his playing. 

3. No idea. Reggae meets gospel? Not bad but not really my kind of thing. This is certainly different even in the genre of reggae. The singer expresses such aching emotion with the backup singers countering that mood. That juxtaposition really works for me. 

4. Ornette influenced player. I hear a cello so that must be Abdul Wadud and than the alto player must be Julius Hemphill? Lovely stuff. I just dug recently into his stuff so no idea bout album/composition. Yep, you got 2 of the players. This album has been named earlier and it's fantastic. Lots to explore with Hemphill for sure. 

5. Lovely baritone. Big Band arrangements. Duke? Harry Carney? Indeed. Carney is a master. 

6. How Deep is the Ocean. Can't recognize the tenor player. Overall nice playing. Nothing exceptional. Yes on the song. This is a tenor I've come to really enjoy. 

7. Nice vibrato on that alto. Nice twist also into free playing. Might be Arthur Blythe? Yes on Blythe. And after that free playing comes some deep blues. 

8. No idea! Really, just no idea. Maybe the guitar player is somebody from the European scene? Terje Rypdal? Not my kind of thing. It's indeed Rypdal on guitar but not his leader date. 

9. Ahmad? Or somebody infleunced by Ahmad? Lots of space.... This one remains completely unidentified at the moment. Not Ahmad but there's a connection. 

10. That's South America I am hearing. Something Peruvian or Bolivian? I am back in Cuzco again. I like traditional music a lot, thanks for this! Very welcome and glad you liked it. It's Colombian Cumbia and I love it as well. 

11. Don't know who that is. Sounds like someone with a lot of aaaaaaaiirrrrr. It's not Ben Webster, something more modern. Background music to me. Oh man, this type of ballad playing is always up my alley. Not Webster but one of his contemporaries at a later recording date. 

12. Oh yeah that must be the '40's. So the Baritone player might be Leo Parker? Can't recognize the trombonist. The tenor player is somebody influenced by Bean but it's not him. R&B player. Illinois? Yes on Jacquet & Parker. Trombone is JJ. 

13. No idea. So far the alto has been ID'd but not the song nor album. 

14. Something on ECM. Definitely not Tomasz Stanko. Kenny Wheeler?  Yes to ECM. Not Kenny but Rava. The control is amazing. 

15. I don't who this is but I like it a lot. Blues playing 2.0. Interested in the reveal! Oh yeah, this is not something that really matches the rest of this artist's output and I'm glad to hear you like it. I really dig it as well. 

Thanks for a very diverse BFT with lot's of stuff that I like. Hemphill, Hope... you are a man of great taste  I appreciate that! And glad you enjoyed it. I was going for diversity in styles, tempo and artists but also hoping that it had some sense of flow for the listener. Thanks for your comments! 

 

[Dub Modal]

All right, well - midway through June so here's an update on the two completely unidentified tracks so far: 

Track 3 - Not particularly enjoyed by many here. Unique singer who self produced much of his output via his income as a dentist. 

Track 9 - This one seems to be one of the more popular tracks among this selection. Incorrect guesses so far on who the pianist is include: Ahmad Jamal, Ramsey Lewis, Errol Garner, Billy Strayhorn, Hampton Hawes, Chick Corea,  & Eldar Djangirov. Drummer guessed as Roy Haynes and that is incorrect as well. The drummer has a connection to Haynes however. 

 

[corto maltese]

9 minutes ago, Dub Modal said:

Track 3 - Not particularly enjoyed by many here. Unique singer who self produced much of his output via his income as a dentist. 

 

It's the 4th song on side 1 of this album. If you own an original pressing, you are a rich man.

[Dub Modal]

2 minutes ago, corto maltese said:

It's the 4th song on side 1 of this album. If you own an original pressing, you are a rich man.

You got it. I have a needle drop of "a" pressing of this album. 

[corto maltese]

12 minutes ago, Dub Modal said:

You got it. I have a needle drop of "a" pressing of this album. 

The original album from 1974 was called: "The Black Breast Has Produced Her Best, Flesh Of My Skin Blood Of My Blood". On later issues (which have completely different covers) the first part of that spectacular title has been omitted.

[JSngry]

40 minutes ago, Dub Modal said:

Track 9...Drummer guessed as Roy Haynes and that is incorrect as well. The drummer has a connection to Haynes however. 

 

Grasping at straws here...fellow Bostonian Alan Dawson? Tony Williams?

or not that type of connection?

2 minutes ago, corto maltese said:

The original album from 1974 was called: "The Black Breast Has Produced Her Best, Flesh Of My Skin Blood Of My Blood". On later issues (which have completely different covers) the first part of that spectacular title has been omitted.

Spectacular indeed!

[Dub Modal]

28 minutes ago, corto maltese said:

The original album from 1974 was called: "The Black Breast Has Produced Her Best, Flesh Of My Skin Blood Of My Blood". On later issues (which have completely different covers) the first part of that spectacular title has been omitted.

I'd always assumed that Hudson's estate prevented the use of the original title and perhaps the original cover art too. It's an awesome album that unfolded very slowly for me. 

Edit to add: Love that I Shall Be Released is on this album. One could do an entire BFT of Jamaican versions of that song. It's like a reggae standard pretty much. 

26 minutes ago, JSngry said:

Grasping at straws here...fellow Bostonian Alan Dawson? Tony Williams?

or not that type of connection?

Geography is important, but neither of those and dare I say no Boston connection. And this drummer appears elsewhere in this very same BFT, albeit in a track that's only been partially ID'd. 

Edited June 15, 2021 by Dub Modal

[Dub Modal]

13 minutes ago, rostasi said:

The more I listen to #9, the more I get a Jeter Thompson vibe.
Just can't put my finger on this. A surprising Eddie Higgins rendition of something?
Well, I'm just guessing now. This era... wow ... just don't know...

Jeter is a new name for me. It's not him...nor is it Eddie. 

42 minutes ago, rostasi said:

and the introduction was thru
an album that really wasn't very good
("Too Expensive"),

That and Steaming Jungle are the ones I don't have. Too Expensive is noteworthy as it's his only major label album. But majors and Keith Hudson just don't go together. 

[JSngry]

Quartette Trés Bien...one of those bands of the time that is neither as square as its detractors would have it nor as hip as its adherents would do the same. If you're looking for a maybe(?) melding of ramsey Lewis & Ahmad Jamal, here is one place it could be.

They're worth knowing about, at the very least. The Internet was my friend about this...

[Dub Modal]

2 minutes ago, JSngry said:

Quartette Trés Bien...one of those bands of the time that is neither as square as its detractors would have it nor as hip as its adherents would do the same. If you're looking for a maybe(?) melding of ramsey Lewis & Ahmad Jamal, here is one place it could be.

They're worth knowing about, at the very least. The Internet was my friend about this...

I'll be checking them out for sure. 

[Dub Modal]

Oh yeah, thanks! Always enjoy a good dub mix 

[Hot Ptah]

On 6/3/2021 at 8:31 AM, Dub Modal said:

Summary update: 

Identified 100% - Songs 1, 2, 4, 5, 6, 8, 10, 14 & 15

Partially ID'd: 

#7 - Song & album unnamed, band ID'd 

#11 - Song & album unnamed, Tenor player is Frank Wess

#12 - Just need the song title as everything else is pretty much ID'd

#13 - Song & album unnamed, Charles McPherson on alto

Unidentified - Songs 3 & 9

If @Hot Ptah weighs in, I'm betting he can get #3 with no problem. 

I'm going to remain with the hints I've given so far for #9 at the moment. It's only June 3rd so plenty of time for more listening/guesses. 

Love reading the takes so far. Appreciate yall giving an ear and time for commentary.  

I listened to #3 and I have no idea who it is. 

[randyhersom]

Known drummers oh identified tracks so far

2. Willie Jones

4. Don Moye

5. Sam Woodyard

6. JC Moses

7. Don Moye

8. Edward Vesala

11. Ben Riley

12. Shadow Wilson

13. Billy Drummond

14. Jon Christiensen

15. Luqman Ali

 

 

[JSngry]

Sam Woodyard was from Boston!!!!

but no...