John, I like what you are saying and I just wish that were a true summation of what just happened.  It is true except for one participant.  Thinking of an old friend who is not in fact a 'bullshit person', just ignorant about jazz.

Maybe they weren't making plastic flasks then.

Verve  23MJ 3141 St (Japan 1982) - Harry Edison Swings Buck Clayton and Vice Versa - rec. 1958    

Or “Ella Guru”