I will tell you a weird story - years ago I was on my way to a club in Midtown Manhattan. I was walking (I was about 19, so this might have been 1973) and who did I see ahead of me but Budd Johnson. I was thrilled; I walked up and introduced myself, and Johnson said "I want you to meet my friend, Big Al Sears (who was standing next to him)." I was very excited about this, wish I'd had a camera.